Author Topic: Liverpool, code 25 Parked in a loading without loading, Mount Pleasant L3  (Read 114 times)

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Driver parked at the bottom of Mount Pleasant.  Sign says pay and display, but they got a parking ticket. The driver then looked and noticed that the Sign is at right angles to the street. Seems to be deliberately so you can’t see it. Surely if you’re following the rules you’ve got to be able to see what the rules are. Driver was displaying a blue badge.











GSV image above is clickable.

Should this be appealed and, if so, on what basis?

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Pay & Display is between 6pm and 11pm.

You were parked in the bay during the loading restriction at 13:17 as seen from the CEO's photograph.

The driver then looked and noticed that the Sign is at right angles to the street.

Did you still decide to park after seeing the sign, or did you see the sign after you returned to your car?

BTW not an expert here, just asking the questions I think the others would ask as well.

I'll ask the driver and clarify the thought process behind why they parked there and displayed their BB.

Driver says they saw the Pay and Park sign as that was facing them. A blue badge supposedly allows parking without having to pay. There were no loading markers in the bay as far as the driver was aware, but he will check again tomorrow. The Sign with the times and restrictions is at right angles and not obvious. It was only noticed after the driver returned to the car and saw the PCN. Another car had a ticket on it. People in the betting shop were offering their advice to say the traffic wardens use it to put tickets frequently.

A blue badge supposedly allows parking without having to pay.

Possibly, but this is dependant on the local authority in question. It's also not relevant to the alleged contravention here.

The current GSV available doesn't seem to even show the sign that was referenced, though it does show the Loading Only paint on the ground, whether that is there now, would be up to the driver to find out.

But if the driver saw the Pay & Display sign, as you say, it's unknown to me how they would have missed the loading restriction directly above it. So, IMO the fact it was angled away from where you'd normally expect to see it, doesn't seem to be convincing at all.

There are other avenues available, and I easily could have missed a million things here, so I'll sign out and let the others continue.

Good luck

Can the driver return and take their photos?

We need to see the bay markings and any road markings, as well as the traffic signs.

? How could they see the pay&display sign without seeing the 'loading only' immediately above?

If the road marking 'Loading Only' is there, this is not permitted. But one step at a time.

More photos tomorrow hopefully.

Basically, when a driver parks in a marked bay, it is encumbent upon him to look for a sign controlling the use of the bay; simple really. And  here there is such a sign with the applicabe restrictions on it, yet your driver would seem to have only seen one of the signs even though they are mounted one on top of the other on the same pole !
A scenario like this makes it very difficult to suggest a winning appeal argument !!

Thank you. I will pass on the advice.

You lot outside of London are very lucky to have a discounted price of £35. £80 at the discount is standard across the board now in London. It was still £65 not long ago. Soon enough it will be £100, and £200 at the full rate

You lot outside of London are very lucky to have a discounted price of £35. £80 at the discount is standard across the board now in London. It was still £65 not long ago. Soon enough it will be £100, and £200 at the full rate
This is because the Government, despite having powers to control penalties under the LLA & TfL Act 2003, have never used those powers, so the Mayor of London does what he likes. Hence penalties of £180 for stoppin in a yellow box junction, an outrageous amount.

For parking, under the Traffic Management Act 2004, Schedule 9 (4) of this act gives reserve powers to the government to object to proposed penalties and to make regulations setting charges. So far, these powers have never been invoked, so in London, the penalties are now over double the rest of the UK. So again, the Mayor of London can do what he likes
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Just to confirm... the fact that the sign with the restrictions is mounted 90º to the street, is not an arguable technical point?

Just to confirm... the fact that the sign with the restrictions is mounted 90º to the street, is not an arguable technical point?
Well, you can argue it, but its not a winner, because of the marked bay, and the duty to look for a sign. If there had been no sign, then the PCN would have been void.
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Discussion of differing PCN amounts in London and the rest of the country moved to the Flame Pit.
https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/differingpcnslondon-v-the-rest/msg121934/#new