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Vizard

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Ringgo issues led to PCN
« on: June 07, 2024, 07:13:22 pm »
There are issues with Ringgo, I reported them a week or so ago. Basically I cannot extend sessions without losing the remaining time on the session.

So I wait until expiry now before renewing. But today I had no signal for about ten minutes and by the time I renewed it was +12 minutes and I got a PCN in that time.

Is there any scope for an appeal here?

I also note that there was no observation time, it is 0 minutes, is there meant to be?

What happens to the payment that I subsequently made? I made it in good faith but received no benefit from it.

I've tried to upload the ticket, but I get an error message.

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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2024, 07:53:34 am »
For meaningful advice please have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up both sides of the unredacted PCN and a GSV link to the location.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2024, 07:58:12 am by John U.K. »

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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2024, 08:20:20 am »
For meaningful advice please have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up both sides of the unredacted PCN and a GSV link to the location.

Not sure why, but I cannot get the image insertion to work. Here are front and back, though. I have deleted the reg. no and model, because reasons, but if there is a massively good reason why I should reveal them I will do so.

https://imgur.com/a/kcHf7Ni

https://maps.app.goo.gl/thg8y2mih4r3psBEA

« Last Edit: June 08, 2024, 08:24:17 am by Vizard »

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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2024, 08:49:53 am »
Try https://imgbb.com/

upload each image separately there and post the resulting BBCodes here.

Your reg mark is on view to thousands every day and the experts here will ask for it and the PCVN no. for good reason.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2024, 08:53:05 am by John U.K. »

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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2024, 10:12:34 am »
https://ibb.co/gm55QFP
https://ibb.co/GsjBbSg

I still cannot get them to show, but those are the codes.

I am not in a position to re-edit the original photos, but if my reg no and the PCN no are relevant I will do so at a later date. There remain however good reasons why I would particularly prefer not to reveal my reg no. Less so the PCN number.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2024, 10:15:55 am by Vizard »

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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2024, 11:05:23 am »
Here you go (you have to scroll down for the BBCodes)




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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2024, 11:12:16 am »
Thanks John
« Last Edit: June 12, 2024, 10:17:32 pm by cp8759 »

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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2024, 11:51:01 am »
OP, will you pl start at the beginning.

I suggest..

I regularly park at this location/use the council's paybyphone facility. Within the last ** weeks I have had difficulty extending current parking sessions and have had to wait until their expiry. I contacted the council/RingGo in this regard on **, see attached.
On Fri. 7 June I parked at the location and bought ** hours' parking, expiry time ***. At *** I tried to extend this until ***, however the app/site would not allow me to do so. I managed to pay for a new parking period commencing at ** by which time the PCN had been issued.

OP, issues for me:
Does this location allow parking periods to be extended or are they limited in any way;
GSV shows a simple payment bay without a 'no return within X hours' restriction. Pl confirm.

If parking periods cannot be extended but there isn't a 'no return within' restriction this could account for the circumstances you've set out.

At what time did the paid-for time referred to in the PCN expire?
At what time did your next session commence and when and how did you purchase this?
The time of contravention is 15.40.

And who is the vehicle's registered keeper and are their DVLA details current?
« Last Edit: June 08, 2024, 11:54:20 am by H C Andersen »

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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2024, 02:09:21 pm »
QUESTION: DOES THERE NEED TO BE OBSERVATION TIME?
« Last Edit: June 12, 2024, 10:19:22 pm by cp8759 »

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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2024, 04:47:53 pm »
Thanks.

May we see what you wrote please.

As far as the CEO was concerned they saw a car after the expiry of paid for time and probably waited until the 10-minute 'grace' period elapsed before issuing the PCN. Obs time is not a required component of a PCN, however it would be normal practice for a CEO to observe a vehicle in such situations to eliminate the possible exemptions of the driver being away from their vehicle but at a payment machine/loading etc.

As far as the council are concerned they have a car with expired parking rights being in contravention for 12 minutes before a PCN was issued. They do not know that you bought a new session at 15.46 and being cynical would put this down to the driver finding a PCN and then trying to repair the damage.

As I understand it, you get one hit with this council at convincing them to cancel the PCN with the discount preserved. IMO, this would require you to show at least that you tried to extend prior to 15.28 and to explain why you did not do so within the 10-minute grace period but only after the contravention.

I suggest you test your proof here for comment.

The 14-day risk-free discount period ends on 21 June(because 'within 14 days means 14 days after 7th) but I suggest you don't test them on this point because they're just as likely to think that it means 14 days beginning on 7th, so I would target 20th for the latest date for submission of your challenge. 

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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2024, 10:20:33 pm »
@Vizard we need the PCN number and number plate, without this information we can't do the most basic of checks.
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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2024, 07:51:34 am »
@Vizard we need the PCN number and number plate, without this information we can't do the most basic of checks.
Thank you. However I made representation on the basis of Ringgo not working correctly, with appropriate evidence. They replied yesterday with a cancellation of the PCN.

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Re: Ringgo issues led to PCN
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2024, 03:38:07 pm »
@Vizard we need the PCN number and number plate, without this information we can't do the most basic of checks.
Thank you. However I made representation on the basis of Ringgo not working correctly, with appropriate evidence. They replied yesterday with a cancellation of the PCN.
@Vizard it would no doubt be helpful for future cases if you could share both the wording you sent to them, and the reply you had from the council.
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