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Leahurst Road Westbound, LB Lewisham. Contravention 52m
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Hello

I received my second PCN for this spot on Friday. I paid the first one just thinking I missed the sign.

Both times; we turned off Longhurst Road (turning right onto Leahurst) at night (so it was dark).

I was convinced it was a mistake so walked back to the area and took the attached photos. Indeed the signs are there but as mentioned by others, I don't feel they are adequate.

- They are at a point of no return.  There is no option to turn around legally.
- I think everything except emergency vehicles and bicycles are restricted - why not say "Emergency vehicles only" instead?
- They are a few meters after the junction I turned right out of.  Of course my attention is more on making that turn safely - not necessarily looking for restriction signs
- The signs are high up, look small to me - and are unlit.  Too high for car headlamps to reflect off.
- There are no road markings which would help make it clear it is restricted.
- There doesn't seem to be an obvious reason why traffic is not permitted (especially as cars are passing through on the opposite side of the road.
- There was no warning sign (I am pretty sure - didn't see it if there was)
- I think the signs would be more obvious if they were red "No Entry" signs (except cycles etc)
- Not sure why there isn't a "No right turn" at the junction coming out of Longhurst Road - that would make it much clearer.
- There are other signs in the area which restrict traffic only at certain times.  They are much bigger and much more obvious.

I am sure there is a good reason why traffic is restricted (at least hope there is) so it is important traffic doesn't pass through.  But it is not obvious, and the signs aren't doing their job.

I will probably just pay it but I do think they should make the signs clearer.

Thoughts welcome.  I am thinking of popping back at night to see how clear the signs are and if there are any warning signs.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/09euISfyPwPo9mZh_tFY2QYGw
https://share.icloud.com/photos/089d0eHmcdogGk-fMmSA-0YhQ
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0262ITxlbtTP9Az9iGahjJzDg

Andrew

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Re: Leahurst Road Westbound, LB Lewisham. Contravention 52m
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Please post the PCN, all sides, with only name and address redacted.

The photos you've posted seem to be those for the opposite direction to what you describe in your post. We need to see what is there for a motorist coming down Longhurst Road. GSV is too far out of date for this location, so photos are absolutely essential for a good appeal. There should be an advance sign as the restriction is round the corner; is there ?

There will also be a video, so don't redact PCN number or car reg.

Re: Leahurst Road Westbound, LB Lewisham. Contravention 52m
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Thanks.

Will get some photos going down Longhurst Road and post tomorrow.

I’ve only redacted my address. PCN and registration is clear on the photo I provided.

Thanks again
Andrew

Re: Leahurst Road Westbound, LB Lewisham. Contravention 52m
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Hello again

Went back and took some more photos today.

Full PCN - all four pages : https://share.icloud.com/photos/01cNKgcYx0-a_dFL0FT_wUC5Q
Two photos as you approach the restriction : https://share.icloud.com/photos/0e3TFSuOyaLggVepMhoWsoorQ
Two warning signs on Longhurst Road as you approach the right hand turn - https://share.icloud.com/photos/075zaKI16PNUu7HtVBtbGclgg
3 photos showing the approach to the junction - turning off Longhurst Road onto Leahurst Road - https://share.icloud.com/photos/098TE5exFz5_qLhUn1ZiK9ucQ
1 photo showing from the opposite direction - https://share.icloud.com/photos/0790cNhbFGomPjG52X7JMaYlA
Oddly - it seems to be perfectly legal to turn off Leahurst East bound onto Ennersdale Road - meaning the restricted part of the road is about 20m long.  This photo is taken from Leahurst facing East towards where I got the PCN - https://share.icloud.com/photos/0596SL4ZfgGG2UWnBreTlJ6hA

A quick map showing the area and some notes https://share.icloud.com/photos/0cckFFqLTSHOi0K9SLG1nL4cA

Again - I was driving at night and I am sure these signs are not illuminated and are too high to reflect off the headlights.

I guess I don't have grounds for an appeal - but I would like Lewisham to improve the signage here.  It really is not clear.

Thanks for your advice in advance.

Andrew

Re: Leahurst Road Westbound, LB Lewisham. Contravention 52m
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Have a look here: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oBkRSr3j1T5Hu8qo9
It's the crossroads of Staplehurst Road and Longhurst Road. Before the current "No Motor Vehicles" restriction, this was a width-restricted location :-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NgM896HRsbEXsyJTA
Hence it is indicated on the two signs you can see in the above view. They should have replaced these with signs to indicate a cul-de-sac as that is what is effectively there now. Are those signs still there or have they been replaced.

At the moment, it is the presence of two advance signs on Longhurst road as you approach the T-junction to turn right that are against you.

Re: Leahurst Road Westbound, LB Lewisham. Contravention 52m
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Thanks

The width restriction signs have been replaced with no motor vehicles.

Suspect I have no option to pay - but I’d still like them to improve the signage

Re: Leahurst Road Westbound, LB Lewisham. Contravention 52m
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Hold fire as there are strong technical issues with how they handle the process.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Leahurst Road Westbound, LB Lewisham. Contravention 52m
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Hold fire as there are strong technical issues with how they handle the process.
Indeed. I should have put something about council mismamagement of the enforcement process in my original reply. I assume this is deep flaws in the website representations pages.

Re: Leahurst Road Westbound, LB Lewisham. Contravention 52m
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Yes. Illegal and untimely threats to increase the price.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r