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Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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Hello Experts,

I had received a PCN, link attached below:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=150086&hl=

I made a representation but it has been rejected, letter attached below, please could you advise of next course of action.

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Re: Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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Rejection letter attached here.

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You need to post a copy of your representations.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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I think it would be best if you posted your representations on here, but that's up to you.

What I can advise is the rejection is essentially drivel and it's also littered with procedural improprieties, so I would definitely carry on and wait for the Notice to Owner.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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Many thanks, I will wait for notice to owner to arrive and post it here when it arrives.
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Re: Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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Hi, I have now received Notice to Owner, attaching a copy for your reference. Please could you advise me of next course of action. Thanks

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Also attached are the pcn details, this was on pepipoo website earlier, moved to this website now.

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Re: Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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Hello Experts, I was wondering if anyone had a chance to look at it yet?
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Re: Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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Council photos:









The traffic order is The Hillingdon (Waiting & Loading Restrictions) Order 2023 and the relevant entry is item 168 on page 551.

GSV: https://goo.gl/maps/VCFBTwUL9LbYL1zb8

Please post up a copy of what you sent in the informal representations.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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Hi, Please find the representations below:

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We did not have any plans to park the vehicle on that road and we were going to park it in the Hillingdon council car park as we had recently moved into Hillingdon area and received our Hillingdon first card and parking was free for us. I was visiting the centre for the first time with my wife, my elderly and disabled parents and my 4 year old son. My elderly and disabled parents became sick near to the Lido Reservoir centre,  so I had to put my car on that road for few minutes so I could help them move out of the car inside the centre at a place where they can sit. I left them with my wife and child so she can take care of them while I could go and park the car in the Hillingdon car park. To my surprise, my car was not there when I reached back and it was towed away from that location.  I can assure you that the car was kept there only temporarily and also there were no parking restriction signs around the centre to warn me of any restrictions. I request you to kindly cancel the PCN.

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Re: Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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OK so assisted boarding / alighting is an exemption, and it's reasonable for two adults to accompany 2 elderly / disabled persons plus an infant.

Can you sketch a map showing the exact route you took once you all got out of the car? Preferably on google maps or similar.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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Hi, Please find the route drawn in black, we followed from Reservoir road (in front of the Lido gate)

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You can put forward your argument based in assisted alighting but as things stand I don't think you'll succeed on this point but you might squeeze a procedural impropriety out of them.

The sheer distance and time away from the car would IMO act against you, and bear in mind that the council know the minimum time you were away i.e. from when the CEO's observations commenced to when your car was removed...but we don't.

This is not about whether we believe 'your car was kept there only temporarily', the council have the exact times.

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The map is helpful, what did you plan on doing with the car once you dropped your parents off and returned to the vehicle?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Hillingdon, 01- Parked in a restricted sheet, Reservoir Road, PCN near Lido Ruislip Reservoir Road
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I was planning to park the car in the car park at the end of the same road.
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