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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2024, 02:40:29 am »
@roadster01 as painful as it might be, I think you need to provide a detailed account of all the goings-on that you describe as "mini-emergencies". You only have mitigation to advance at the notice to owner stage, so the representation needs to be truly compelling.

Once we have your account, we can build a representation around that.
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2024, 09:20:16 pm »
Okay. I'll do my best to remember all the details.
I realized only that morning around 9-9:15 that I needed to scratch out a permit and go outside to display it in the car. This was around Breakfast time for my two kids (no playgroup that day hence I visited my parents). My wife was still upstairs so I had them both to feed. I put the one year old in the highchair and gave her Weetabix. The 2 year old was seemingly occupied with his cereal so I thought I'd grab a moment to scratch it out. I gave my phone a cursory glance to check the date while keeping an eye out to prevent a Weetabix tornado. I saw it was the 1st and proceeded to scratch it out.
Calm moments don't last too long and soon noticed the 2 year old run out of his seat , I carried on scratching slightly distracted and must've scratched April by rote. It all went downhill from there... I heard a muffled thud from the dining room and my oldest bursting into loud wails. I grabbed the permit and ran. By the time I had the situ under control I really needed to run to the car. however I came back to the kitchen and discovered that the 1 year old had happily used my absence to practise her make-up artistry - with Weetabix! I must admit by that point I was a bit flustered and yelled to my wife to come down while I ran out to the car. I finished scratching it out and made a dash for it. When came back I had the honors of weeding the Weetabix out of said youngest's hair, and I didn't give another moment's thought to the permit. It wasn't until around 11:45 when my mother mentioned some event that was due to take place on 9th May and she said "next week" that it hit me. I zipped out to the car but it was too late. it was all adorned with a bright yellow souvenir...

That's the basic outline. Theatrics were added for effect (and because I enjoy it.) but all the details are true to the best of my memory. Anyone with kids will understand that a babysitting dad requires too much multitasking for any male. Just the constant thought "what are they gonna do next?" is enough to distract...

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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2024, 06:38:19 pm »
@roadster01 as far as I can see your informal representation has not been dealt with yet?



I think you've given us enough information to build a compelling formal representation, but we might as well wait for the informal rejection first.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2024, 10:58:03 pm »
I've actually just received my rejection. I've attached it here.
Rejection
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2024, 11:19:55 pm »
@roadster01 let me know when you get the notice to owner and I'll draft a formal representation for you.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2024, 11:21:22 pm »
Hmm, interesting.
They may have shot themselves in the foot by mentioning they have already cancelled one PCN previously. The implication is that because of this they have not bothered to consider your representations for this latest PCN. This could be interpreted as "fettered discretion", a procedural impropriety.

However, I may be wrong, so wait until others comment.

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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2024, 11:57:27 pm »
I have just received my NTO . Please advise me how to proceed.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2024, 11:59:55 pm by roadster01 »

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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2024, 06:03:57 pm »
OP, according to their response - although you hadn't mentioned it as far as I can see - marking the wrong date wasn't the only issue:

'..you also needed to enter the vehicle registration number in the yellow box...but it was blank.'

Then it wasn't valid, ever!

OP, you photo is tricky to view because of the reflected flash, was the VRM entered or not? It seems not.

Then it's the wrong contravention. But maybe we should cut them some slack and say that the CEO thought this permit belonged with your car. In which case IMO it's improper of the authority to use this as part of their rational for rejecting your challenge.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2024, 06:08:31 pm by H C Andersen »

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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2024, 11:16:49 pm »
Oh gosh! You're right- I totally overlooked that! I really didn't enter the VRM. Is there still any hope?

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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2024, 01:44:45 pm »
@cp8759, do you think There's any hope? I think my 14 days are up... Please can you help me draft a formal representation? Or do you think I should just pay?

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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2024, 08:02:15 pm »
@roadster01 well unfortunately you've missed the 14 days, you only tagged me in the thread yesterday and I've been swamped with tribunal hearings these past few days (I can't realistically read every thread 100% the time).

Anyway, you now have a hard deadline of 5 August to make a representation, so we might as well do the best we can in the time available. Starting with the basics could you clarify "I realized only that morning around 9-9:15 that I needed to scratch out a permit", how would this have come about? They look like daily permits, so surely you have to do this every day?

And if it's outside your house why are you using daily permits in the first place?

And you must tag me when you reply, or I might not see your reply for three weeks.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2024, 11:00:43 pm »
@cp8759, I'm sorry I thought I made it clear (in my first post). I'm married and live in another borough, I was visiting my parents who live in Harringay and ended up staying overnight. I only realised the next morning that if I stay till after 10am I'd need a permit.
P.S. I'm really grateful for all your tireless work. Thank You!
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2024, 11:46:48 pm »
@@roadster01 so why are there two permits on the dashboard?

Also, could you please upload a proper scan of both permits? I can barely work out what's been scratched out.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2024, 01:24:53 am »
@cp8759 I needed two permits as each one is valid for an hour. (restriction's from 10-12)
I don't have the original permits but these are all the pictures on the council page. You will see that both have the same date (wrong month scratched out- it was the 1st of May...) one is from 10am and the other from 11am, however as the council pointed out, I also forgot to write the reg.
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2024, 07:23:39 pm »
@cp8759 I'm merely tagging you as I see you haven't noticed my reply.