Author Topic: Hammersmith & Fulham - 01: Parked in a restricted street, Great Church Lane, W6 - INITIAL APPEAL REJ  (Read 325 times)

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Having thought my case was pretty strong I didn't post the PCN recieved back on 27/12/25 here.
I've now had my appeal rejected, though the grounds given show they're either quietly ignoring my main point or completely missed it.

Here's my appeal, indicating why I think their signage is inadequate.....

"On the evening in question I drove into Hammersmith from the Chiswick side of the A4, I note there is a Controlled Zone sign under the flyover just off the A road. I entered the Broadway one way system onto Queen Caroline Street and drove around and down Butterwick, at the bottom of Butterwick. 

As I turned into Talgarth Road there is a very clear Zone Ends sign. Driving along Talgarth Road and turning into Shortlands there is absolutely no signage to suggest I was entering a Controlled Zone, furthermore at the entrance to Great Church Lane there is absolutely no indication of any restriction timing via a yellow plate at either end of the road.

Without indication to tell me I parked on the yellow lines to the left as the road was completely clear and all information available to me at the time suggested I could do so after 6.30pm. I have since seen the signage for the adjacent parking bays which are clearly enforcing the bays and not the road itself, as they are pay and display/permit signs, which are not an indication for yellow lines. Obviously any double yellow lines are entirely restricted all the time, which is why I parked where I did."


Their response completely sidestep the Zone Ends sign clearly visible turning left onto the Talgarth Road....

"The vehicle was in a controlled parking zone A. Restrictions in that zone apply from 08:30 to 23:00, Monday to Sunday. There are signs at the entrances to the zone that show the controlled hours. Single yellow lines within the zone apply during the same hours as the zone, unless they have a separate sign showing different times. 

The PCN was issued on the date and at the time above on a single yellow line which applied until 23:00. During a period of 9 minutes no activity was seen at the vehicle.

I have noted your comments in regard to the signage. Our records and inspections confirm that at least one compliant CPZ entry sign was visible on the route into the CPZ covering Great Church Lane. The absence of a time-plate adjacent to the single yellow line does not constitute a defect where the restriction aligns with CPZ hours already conveyed via entry signage.

Within a CPZ, individual yellow lines do not need separate time plates, as the operational hours are clearly displayed on signs at all entry points to the zone, in accordance with the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016. Motorists are expected to check and comply with the information displayed on these CPZ entry signs when entering the area."


They go on to show an example of a Controlled Zone sign and to further comment...

"Drivers should not assume the restrictions. If you are unsure about the restrictions in place, please find alternative parking. The onus is always on the driver to ensure their vehicle is parked ‘legally’ and in compliance at all times.

As the above vehicle was parked in contravention, this Council cannot find any valid reason to waive the Charge.

My decision - I have considered what you have said and all the available evidence, but I do not agree that we should cancel your liability for this PCN."


Here is the original PCN,
https://imgpile.com/p/DBdQKzI

Is it worth me taking this further? Why have they failed to acknowledge the part of my appeal referencing the Zone End sign?
« Last Edit: February 03, 2026, 04:49:29 pm by sjcuk7 »

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Here's the picture I sent H&F Council, showing their Zone Ends sign, visible turning from Butterwick into Talgarth Road.

https://imgpile.com/p/n8MGEoo

« Last Edit: February 03, 2026, 04:22:46 pm by sjcuk7 »

Here's the approach to Great Church Lane, the oval shaped, white ringed building, is on the corner of it.
NOTE: The lack of any Controlled Zone signage.

https://imgpile.com/p/WC9FxUp

« Last Edit: February 03, 2026, 04:53:16 pm by sjcuk7 »

Finally here's a view of Great Church Lane itself, on the evening in question the car was parked on the single yellow line, alongside the white wall, seen in the picture.

https://imgpile.com/p/LeTNW14


To aid understanding of the location, I'm including a grab from Google Maps showing the Controlled Zone Sign (1), the Zone Ends sign (2), the parking spot (3) and highlighting the direction of travel taken.

https://imgpile.com/p/0NcvnLE

« Last Edit: February 03, 2026, 04:56:11 pm by sjcuk7 »

Have you traced your route on the zoomable map of the zones here?
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=19Azi5jTTEnWfrjOLNqy-CG5btpw21Q_6&ll=51.49180023721487%2C-0.22000470589989218&z=18

Also
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking/pay-and-display/map-controlled-parking-zones



As far as I could work out, this sign (end of Zone A)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GfwBL16W3fSjKBEH8

should be accompanied by a sign for the beginning of Zone D.

This short entry to Shortlands Road and Great Church Lane
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Uu8CofWFMnYAbiu78
and
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3x9419mTcgVwK3sj7
Should have end of Zone D with on the both sides entrance to Zone A.

I think you have a good case on the absence of signage on the wiggly boundary between A and D, but see what the experts say.

After diligently searching for signage for the SYL on which you parked, eyebrows might be raised at any thoughts you may have had that you were in inner London and yet were not in a zone.


Have you traced your route on the zoomable map of the zones here?
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=19Azi5jTTEnWfrjOLNqy-CG5btpw21Q_6&ll=51.49180023721487%2C-0.22000470589989218&z=18

Yes, but only since. It was my wife who was driving and she is not from Hammersmith and is quite used to 6.30pm unless stated on a sign


Also
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking/pay-and-display/map-controlled-parking-zones



As far as I could work out, this sign (end of Zone A)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GfwBL16W3fSjKBEH8

should be accompanied by a sign for the beginning of Zone D.

This short entry to Shortlands Road and Great Church Lane
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Uu8CofWFMnYAbiu78
and
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3x9419mTcgVwK3sj7
Should have end of Zone D with on the both sides entrance to Zone A.

Thanks for the info. At the time my wife's phone was out of battery and the onus surely should not be put on having internet connectivity while parking!

I think you have a good case on the absence of signage on the wiggly boundary between A and D, but see what the experts say.

After diligently searching for signage for the SYL on which you parked, eyebrows might be raised at any thoughts you may have had that you were in inner London and yet were not in a zone.

Without an actual Controlled Zone at that junction how does anyone who lives outside London have a hope of knowing that the parking restrictions differ from the rest of the country?
The last sign she saw literally said Zone Ends!
« Last Edit: February 03, 2026, 05:57:42 pm by sjcuk7 »

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Thanks for the info. At the time my wife's phone was out of battery and the onus surely should not be put on having internet connectivity while parking!

I hope I asn't suggesting  she should have to search online, merely trying to strengthen your case at the next stage.

Incidentally, could you please post copies of correpondence rather than transcripts, beginning with all sides of the rejection letter, redacting only yr name & address. (Material often gets lost or corrupted in transcription - e.g. the all important dates.)

Are you the registered keeper and is your V5C address correct in every particular, as the NtO will go to the RK at that address?



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Thanks for the info. At the time my wife's phone was out of battery and the onus surely should not be put on having internet connectivity while parking!

I hope I asn't suggesting  she should have to search online, merely trying to strengthen your case at the next stage.

Incidentally, could you please post copies of correpondence rather than transcripts, beginning with all sides of the rejection letter, redacting only yr name & address. (Material often gets lost or corrupted in transcription - e.g. the all important dates.)

Are you the registered keeper and is your V5C address correct in every particular, as the NtO will go to the RK at that address?

As luck would have it, in this case, I AM the RK of the vehicle my wife was driving. The rejection letter was emailed as an attachment. Here's a link to it in full (three pages worth).

https://imgpile.com/p/xmjGVQo



If you want to take the matter further, it is essential you find out whether there is a missing sign for the CPZ. If the council can show, at adjudication, that you passed a CPZ sign, then you'd lose.

If you want to take the matter further, it is essential you find out whether there is a missing sign for the CPZ. If the council can show, at adjudication, that you passed a CPZ sign, then you'd lose.

There is a CPZ sign, as marked 1 on my map (link below), it is before the majority of the direction of travel AND is followed by a CPZ Ends sign, marked 2 on the map. There is NO further CPZ sign from that Ends sign to the parking place.

https://imgpile.com/p/0NcvnLE

There is absolutely no CPZ sign, as shown in my photos and also on Google Maps now and throughout the history available, when turning off Talgarth Road, to park on Great Church Lane
« Last Edit: February 03, 2026, 11:59:23 pm by sjcuk7 »

OK, so CPZ signs at 1
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AgDBGaBBMab8Crs99

GSV as one turns onto Talgarth Road at 2
https://maps.app.goo.gl/UNMAgoWfJqmeScmn8
GSV date is September 2025, but I see no Zone Ends sign

Over to you.

OK, so CPZ signs at 1
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AgDBGaBBMab8Crs99

GSV as one turns onto Talgarth Road at 2
https://maps.app.goo.gl/UNMAgoWfJqmeScmn8
GSV date is September 2025, but I see no Zone Ends sign

Over to you.

Erm, my photo taken on Jan 1st 2026 and posted on this thread shows the sign in place.
It's clear as day!
.....and no they didn't put it up between the 27th Dec and the 1st Jan - the council were on annual leave.

https://imgpile.com/m/gEP0FNO


« Last Edit: February 04, 2026, 03:22:28 am by sjcuk7 »

OK, so CPZ signs at 1
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AgDBGaBBMab8Crs99

GSV as one turns onto Talgarth Road at 2
https://maps.app.goo.gl/UNMAgoWfJqmeScmn8
GSV date is September 2025, but I see no Zone Ends sign
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Over to you.


As per my Reply#5 above

https://maps.app.goo.gl/YZGjcYuRC43G5b2k9

Indeed the sign is there, I must have "hopped" too far in GSV. So the presence of this sign is your Get Out Of Jail Free card. So you need to register an appeal at London Tribunals; I can't see how you could fail to win.