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Hi both, thanks I thought PCN number is sensitive so I hidden it in picture but I think its ok to share:

ZN14202158 - £205 (Warrant Issued)
ZN14587347 - £195 (CC Sent)
ZN1484088A - £195 (CC Sent)

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"Please also post your VRM, and all sides of the EN (only redact yr name & address)." - Regarding

VRM: DY11 OXJ

See attachments for EN

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I have also attached draft out of time form, if you have a second please could you check if this is something I could submit.



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Have you had a previous PCN from Haringey at your old address.

Do not do anything with the PE2 yet. There are two forms - PE3 too. If you rush this you will regret it.

I never went back to my old address to check for letters. I don't know if there is anything there. It's over 1-2hr commute so I could go there if needed, but never had a reason to visit.

Haven't done anything yet, no worries, just prepping docs and taking notes

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I have also attached draft out of time form, if you have a second please could you check if this is something I could submit.

I've a feeling that, counter-intuitively, the applicant is L.B.Haringey, not you. But wait for the experts to comment, as I am not one.

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I never went back to my old address to check for letters

I think Stamfordman is asking if you received any PCNs from Haringey in the past, before moving which may have caused Haringey to log yr old address on their system.

I have received PCNs in the past at different addresses, but not from Haringey. This is my first time living in this Council area. For the duration I have been living here, I have not received a single PCN through post. All the other letters, including council tax is arriving in the post just fine.

Don't concern yourself with the PCNs at the CC stage, it's premature and distracting IMO.

I wouldn't trust Haringey's status page. The OP really doesn't want to miss OfRs and calling TEC will resolve that for now.

Update

- I called TEC, and confirmed that:
  - ZN14587347 - £195 (CC Sent): NOT REGISTERED YET AS DEBT (02 APRIL 2025)
  - ZN1484088A - £195 (CC Sent): NOT REGISTERED YET AS DEBT (02 APRIL 2025)
- Paid the fine to CDER group for the amount of £280, and stated CDER reference (Not Client reference) in bank transfer, as per CDER group representative instructions.

The NoE is dated the 28th March and expires on the 7th of April. I'm not sure that's seven clear days unless the NoE was hand delivered?

FYI, I have received enforcement notice letter through post on 1st of April. It was not delivered by hand to me.

Next steps:
- Not sure if this is a unique case, since I have 3 different PCN at different stages. I would like to understand the order to which I should approach PE2 and PE3 forms.
  - Do we want to wait for remaining PCR to be registered as debts and then obtain signature for all three PCNs at once?
  - Or do we want to work on PE2 form first since we have paid the enforcement agents now, and deal with PE3 forms once they reach debt stage with TEC as per instructions: https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-local-autho/
  - If above is unclear, I am happy to try one out and post results here on the thread
- I also fixed the PE2 form and changed applicant to: London Borough of Haringey
- One more question, does the PE3 form completion date matters? E.g. I called the county court just now to see available appointments, and seems like you can get one a week in advance, so next available slot would be 8th April from today. Once the PE3 forms becomes debt, is it wise to wait 1 week to get the form witnessed and then send it off, or would it be better to pay £5/£10 to get it signed the same day and send it the same day.

If the NoE was posted then IMO it's payment date was unlawful and as a document it was improper. 7 clear days excludes in this case the day of delivery and Sundays therefore could not be before 9th. Keep the NoE because you should be able to argue for the return of £75 if nothing else.

I am happy to take responsibility for my contraventions, and if some actions as part of the applicant or enforcement agent are unlawful I am happy to also fight against that. Do you know where I could escalate this and argue for £75? What would that involve?

Keep an eye on the status page for the two at CC and for peace of mind recheck with TEC say every 2 weeks. When the debts are registered, orders for recovery will be sent to your old address but you don't need the physical letters to file statutory declarations that you didn't get the PCNs, only the knowledge that the process has reached this stage.   

Update Timeline

1st of April
  - Receive CDER Group NoE Letter through postal delivery
  - Sent complaint to the London council of Haringey about handling of the case (although it was just simple complaint, nothing to propose resolution)

2nd of April
  - Sent payment to enforcement agency (CDER Group) for the amount of £280
  - Sent (email) formal complaint to enforcement agency (CDER Group) regarding Regulation 7 of The Taking Control of Goods Regulations 2013, with:
    - Case details
    - Grounds for complaint
    - Request for resolution
  - Scheduled meeting with County Court for witness signature for PE2 form

3rd of April
  - Received acknowledgement text message from CDER group that payment has been received, subject to clearance.
  - Received email response to my formal complaint from CDER Group
    - Further responded to CDER Group specifically highlight my complaint and pointing them to relevant regulation

Ongoing:
  - Waiting for update on the other PCNs to be regsistered as debts
  - Scheduled meeting with County Court for PE2 form is for next week
  - CDER group complaint is ongoing, awaiting response from their side

I will update this post if there are more things to come today.

/Small edit

Enforcement agent website is slightly confusing, there are 2 pages that mention how you can make a complaint, but each website points to different email address:
https://www.cdergroup.co.uk/contact/make-a-complaint/ - email: customercare@cdergroup.co.uk (sent here)
https://www.cdergroup.co.uk/contact/ - email: customercare@contactcder.co.uk

I hope I don't have to resend my complaint to the other email address. - Received response, there is no need to send to another CDER group inbox.