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Good afternoon,

I hope you’re all well.

My wife has recently received a PCN for driving in a bus lane on Woodford Ave IG5. This bus lane is quite new, and the weather on the day was very poor, which made visibility difficult. She was driving to work, and because traffic in the right-hand lane was turning into Clayhall Avenue, she moved right in order to continue straight ahead.

We’re wondering if there may be any grounds for an appeal in these circumstances. Any advice would be much appreciated — thank you.





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Re: Bus lane A1400 Woodford Avenue (Opposite Stradbrook Grove) IG5 Redbridge
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Please post a GSV link to the exact location, please.

Re: Bus lane A1400 Woodford Avenue (Opposite Stradbrook Grove) IG5 Redbridge
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Here it is:
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thanks

Re: Bus lane A1400 Woodford Avenue (Opposite Stradbrook Grove) IG5 Redbridge
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Looking at the photos on the PCN, neither shows you in a bus lane, so I suggest you submit representations on this basis.  You could also ask them to provide the video of the alleged contravention.

Hippocrates has a 'technical' appeal against all London bus lane PCNs, but I ask him to tell you what it is.

Re: Bus lane A1400 Woodford Avenue (Opposite Stradbrook Grove) IG5 Redbridge
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Thanks @Incandescent.  I will wait for the template from Hippocrates before submitting an appeal.

I tried to find the video on the tfl website but I couldn't find it
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Re: Bus lane A1400 Woodford Avenue (Opposite Stradbrook Grove) IG5 Redbridge
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Thanks @Incandescent.  I will wait for the template from Hippocrates before submitting an appeal.

I tried to find the video on the tfl website but I couldn't find it
You won't find the video, because TfL are in the dark ages, (ink wells and quill pens, and powdered wigs worn by all officials, no doubt !). You have to phone them and ask for a video that comes as a DVD. A case recently on this was won at London Tribunals, because the appellant could not view the video as DVD readers are now few and far between.

Re: Bus lane A1400 Woodford Avenue (Opposite Stradbrook Grove) IG5 Redbridge
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Thanks, I will give them a call tomorrow and request it.  Did the appellant that won their appeal obtain the DVD but had no way of viewing the footage?

Re: Bus lane A1400 Woodford Avenue (Opposite Stradbrook Grove) IG5 Redbridge
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PM received. Search any TFL bus lane here and my template will be there.
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Thanks Hippocrates, before submitting an appeal, I phoned TFL on 20/02/26 and requested a video of the incident. However I haven't received anything, so I phoned them again yesterday and they said that the request is on hold awaiting dispatch...is this unusual?  I am wondering if there is something wrong with the video.

Good morning,

Hope you are well.

We have finally received the DVD so here is my draft appeal based on your template @Hippocrates Thanks!

Please review and let me know if that is okay to submit or needs any changes?  Thanks

Dear Transport for London,

PCN: GX33149185
Vehicle Registration: TRL1P

I make this initial challenge against the above Penalty Charge Notice.

Procedural Impropriety

The PCN contains wording which misstates the legal position and fetters the authority’s discretion.

The notice states:

“Failure to respond or contact us within 28 days of the service date of this notice will result in the Enforcement Notice automatically being sent to you after this period.”

Under section 4 of the London Local Authorities Act 1996 the authority may issue an Enforcement Notice. The legislation clearly provides discretion. The wording used in the PCN incorrectly suggests that an Enforcement Notice will automatically be issued, thereby fettering the authority’s discretion and misrepresenting the statutory process.

The PCN also states:

“Any written correspondence before the issue of the Enforcement Notice will not be treated as a formal representation. It will not entitle you to the right of appeal.”

This wording is misleading and prejudicial. It implies that correspondence prior to an Enforcement Notice removes or affects the right of appeal, which is incorrect and contrary to principles of natural justice.

Video Evidence

I requested a copy of the video evidence relating to the alleged contravention. However, this has been supplied only on DVD.

In practical terms many people no longer possess DVD players. It is therefore unreasonable to expect a motorist to obtain such equipment simply in order to view evidence relied upon by the authority.

Please therefore provide the video evidence in an accessible electronic format such as an online viewing link or downloadable file so that the evidence can be properly examined.

Camera Authorisation

I put the authority to strict proof that the camera used to capture the alleged contravention is a properly certified and authorised device for the enforcement of bus lane contraventions.

I understand that the camera used at this location was originally installed for yellow box junction enforcement. If that is the case, please provide the relevant certification confirming that the device is authorised for bus lane enforcement.

Evidence of the Contravention

The still images provided within the PCN do not show any relevant bus lane signage either in situ or passed by the vehicle. As such the images themselves do not establish that the restriction was clearly indicated.

In light of the above procedural defects and evidential issues I request that this Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled.

Yours faithfully

Redact this:

Camera Authorisation

I put the authority to strict proof that the camera used to capture the alleged contravention is a properly certified and authorised device for the enforcement of bus lane contraventions.

I understand that the camera used at this location was originally installed for yellow box junction enforcement. If that is the case, please provide the relevant certification confirming that the device is authorised for bus lane enforcement.

@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Redact this:

Camera Authorisation

I put the authority to strict proof that the camera used to capture the alleged contravention is a properly certified and authorised device for the enforcement of bus lane contraventions.

I understand that the camera used at this location was originally installed for yellow box junction enforcement. If that is the case, please provide the relevant certification confirming that the device is authorised for bus lane enforcement.


thanks, will do before I submit.