Author Topic: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”  (Read 7277 times)

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Hi Everyone,

Not sure how to tag users so I hope this reaches you all.

I appreciate there are multiple on going cases but just want to know if I have all the necessary information here to go ahead and draft an appeal.

Thanks,

I would send the below.

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The contravention did not occur.

The council alleges I was in contravention of an off-street restriction but there is no terms board establishing that the garage area is an off-street car park, and which would lawfully set out terms and conditions for parking.

In any case there was no obstruction of access to the garages.

I look forward to early confirmation of cancellation of this PCN.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2025, 04:45:20 pm by stamfordman »

Thank you, that is much appreciated.

I will send an update in any case.

The council has responded.

https://postimg.cc/bGW9s5JF - Link to full response

“ We have carefully considered your comments, but we have decided not to cancel your PCN.You were issued a PCN for causing an obstruction. In a car park with marked spaces or areas, you need to park so that your entire vehicle is inside these lines. If there are no marked spaces or areas, you need to park so that other cars, pedestrians and emergency vehicles will be able to move freely.”

So they say what you need to do but where is the terms board that tells you this? Where is any information that tells you this is a car park managed by Southwark?

I would go on with this but the stakes are high with the extra Ł80 so see what others say.

Choices 2 and 3 on the rejection are also nonsense as they refer to dates already gone.

The other factor is the sign that says permit holders parking beyond this point, which you complied with and in fact signifies an on-street permit parking area not an off-street car park.

Did they send you any instructions about using the permit?
« Last Edit: November 05, 2025, 12:55:26 pm by stamfordman »

Sorry didn’t see that you asked me a question in your response.

No they did not mention the permit at all.

Does anyone else have anything to add? I’m keen to fight this.

wait for the notice to owner. This will go to the registered keeper of the vehicle. Is this You? if not you would need their permission to continue to make representations

Yes, I am the registered keeper.

Hi All,

The Notice to Owner has arrived.

I’ve not actually dealt with one of these much before, am I to literally use the paper they sent to write a handwritten appeal?

https://ibb.co/wF7hxSjK
https://ibb.co/VcMSWbZn

Thanks


Hi All,

Sorry once again not sure how to @ people.

Any help with the above would be greatly appreciated

My suggestion:

The contravention did not occur.

The basic facts of where my vehicle was parked are not in dispute and therefore I hope the authority would not belabour this aspect in their response.

This is a matter of law and how it applies to the council's demand for a penalty.

In order for the council to treat this area as an off-street car park and to demand penalties for failure to comply with its terms and condition of use, those conditions MUST be conveyed clearly to users. Accepted practice is to erect a board setting out those terms and what may happen if a motorist fails to comply. In addition, if the car park is marked then it is the council's duty to convey to a motorist that, as you glibly wrote in your letter dated 5 November, 'in a car park with marked spaces or areas you [ the motorist] need to park so that your entire vehicle is inside these lines.'

Such a requirement, assuming one exists as a provision in a traffic order, MUST be conveyed in writing on site: it does not exist simply because the markings are present or because untrained officers in the enforcement authority say so.  There is no basis on which a motorist is presumed to have this knowledge because the Traffic Signs etc. Regs and the Highway Code apply to 'roads' as defined and not car parks.

Given that the authority failed to have regard to my previous representations, I do not hold out an expectation that this might change with formal representations. But I have not totally abandoned hope that the authority will not insist on taking this matter to adjudication at which my appeal would be allowed and favourable consideration given to making a costs award.

The contravention (as defined under para. 2(1)(c) of Part 1 of Schedule 7 to the Traffic Management Act 2004) did not occur because 'any provision made by or under an order relating to the parking place' must be conveyed adequately.

I agree with Mr Andersen.

My earlier query was actually when you were issued with the permit did it come with instructions on use.

Thanks a lot both.

But what about when they said if there are no marked spaces then I must park as such that I am not blocking free access to pedestrians, other vehicles, and emergency vehicles.

It’s blatantly obvious that my car wouldn’t have even blocked a fire engine.

Should this point not be argued also.

Also regarding your question Stamfordman, no, there are no explicit instructions given when the permit is issued, it just permits you to park within the permit controlled zone.

Should this point not be argued also.

IMO, no. Obstruction is subjective, so how could you argue your opinion with any hope of success and why give them the chance to waffle on about 'obstruction'.

Okay that’s fair enough.

Can I also ask what you meant by “costs award”. Surely there’s no costs award with these types of matters, or have I misunderstood?