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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
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Quote from: H C Andersen on December 06, 2025, 03:08:49 pm
Absolutely, which is why the TMA excluded on-street obstruction because the exercise of subjective opinion requires training and is best left with the police. But they did introduce the '50 cm' contravention to help councils deal with this form of parking(double parking), particularly near sports grounds.
Fine, but that's the whole point, surely ? The car is not parked in a car park but on-street.
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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
« Reply #46 on: »
Hi all,

The council has responded to my formal representation.

https://ibb.co/WWCy8m2X
https://ibb.co/CdYD98F

They have also stated they have reinstated the discounted price of £80 as a "Gesture of goodwill".
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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
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They are in a muddle.

They note the point about terms but then say you should know what they are without anything telling you what they are.

They note the area is wide but it's still obstruction...

They say it's off road but parking rules that apply to a road apply here as per the Highway Code - this is bonkers.

See what others say but I think I'd take it to the tribunal.


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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
« Reply #48 on: »
My thoughts exactly.

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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
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Just bumping this if anyone else has anything to add
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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
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If you want to take it to the tribunal all you have to do is register the appeal. You can upload an update to your reps later. You should opt for an online or phone hearing.

It will mean it's all or nothing.
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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
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What will be a more suitable grounds to appeal on?

The contravention did not occur.

Or

The traffic order allegedly contravened is invalid.

While the informal and formal reps argued that no contravention had occured, if I understand correctly, then the latter can be argued for as well as the contravention was for an off-street restriction yet I was parked in an on-street permit zone, therefore rendering it invalid.

Unless I am conflating 'traffic orders' with 'contraventions' that the council can use as the grounds for issuing a PCN.
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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
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I have just noticed that you are able to select more than one reason for your appeal.

Should I then select both in this instance?

Please advise accordingly.

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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
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Have you seen the Traffic Order?
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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
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No, I have not.

But,

After doing some research I have found that I have misunderstood what "The traffic order allegedly contravened is invalid" means, therefore I will register the appeal on the grounds that the contravention did not occur.
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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
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post your intended appeal before you send it.
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Re: Council Issued PCN for “Parked causing an obstruction” Location “Outside Garages”
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Okay, I’ll try my best to draft an appeal using everything we have so far and hopefully can be amended.
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As I said you don't have to construct an appeal now - you can just register the appeal, and the date could be months away.

I think one of the grounds is procedural impropriety - they are trying to enforce an off-street contravention where no terms are posted while referencing on-street obstruction, and the only sign is an on-street permit sign.
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When I was registering the appeal last night, I got to the stage where it confirms the details and then you can accept and send, so at this point I assume you mean once you’ve sent it you can still edit your appeal, correct?

Just wanted to make sure as I didn’t want to send it with nothing and then realise I can’t edit it.
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Okay...

I registered the appeal, in the section where you can write your appeal, I just put a marker so as to update it later, but it seems to accept that as the final word. I was under the assumption I can edit this later as per your message, but it seems like I can't, unless I am missing something...
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