Author Topic: Calderdale Council, code 30 parked for longer than permitted, Savile Park  (Read 570 times)

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A friend who started work as a doctor was running late as no parking at the hospital, so he parked here but sadly did not see the sign and upon his return got the fine, please see images.

Does he have any chance if he appeals?

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Re: Calderdale Council, code 30 parked for longer than permitted, Savile Park
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two things here -
1. Any reps submitted must say why the person parked there, and not in the usual place, (doctor at hospital etc)

2. The PCN is flawed and positively misleading in the penultimate paragraph on the rear of the PCN. They have worded it such that only if further representations are to be sent, they must be submitted against the PCN. This is in direct contradiction to the wording in the regulations. See3 here in chapter 1, Regulation 3(1)(c) :-
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2022/9780348232752/part/2/chapter/1

The point of this clause is to warn a PCN recipient who may also be the owner, that even if informal reps are submitted against the NtO, the reps must be submitted again if a Notice to Owner is received. If no reps are submitted against the NtO because the owner thinks to himself that they have already been submitted, the matter will progress to the Charge Certificate stage, and the matter cannot be reverted because the NtO has been ignored.

Re: Calderdale Council, code 30 parked for longer than permitted, Savile Park
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Thank you for your response, after looking at other posts, can I therefore appeal as follows:

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Dear xx

The issued PCN does not contain the required statutory information as per The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 - Regulation 3(1)(c) and therefore does not confirm with rules required for a PCN to be valid.

I therefore reject the validity of this PCN and require confirmation that you have deemed it void.
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Would that be ok? Thanks in advance.

Re: Calderdale Council, code 30 parked for longer than permitted, Savile Park
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@Incandescent, the PCN states:

..serve a NTO on the owner of the vehicle. The person on whom a NTO is served may then make a formal representation to the council against the PCN...
If representations against the PCN are received before the NTO is served they will be considered. However, once an NTO is served any further representations must be made in the form and manner and within the time specified in the NTO.


The regs specify that the meaning of the following must be included in a PCN:

3.—(1) A regulation 9 penalty charge notice must include the following information—

(a)that a person on whom a notice to owner is served may, in accordance with these Regulations, make representations to the enforcement authority against the penalty charge and, if those representations are rejected, appeal to an adjudicator;

(b)that if, before a notice to owner is served, representations against the penalty charge are received at such address as may be specified in the notice for the purpose those representations will be considered by the enforcement authority;

(c)that if a notice to owner is served despite the representations mentioned in sub-paragraph (b), representations against the penalty charge must be made to the enforcement authority in the form and manner and at the time specified in the notice to owner.


I cannot see any material difference between these two, what have I missed?

OP, hang fire on advising your friend pl. The 14-day period ends on 17th.

Re: Calderdale Council, code 30 parked for longer than permitted, Savile Park
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c)that if a notice to owner is served despite the representations mentioned in sub-paragraph (b), representations against the penalty charge must be made to the enforcement authority in the form and manner and at the time specified in the notice to owner.

The words on the PCN are at variance with the above which mandates submitting reps against a NtO, even if reps have been submitted against the PCN.  The PCN states "However, once an NTO is served, any further representations must be made......etc" In other words if the PCN recipient considers his reps complete and not in need of any further information, he has no need to respond to the NtO.

Re: Calderdale Council, code 30 parked for longer than permitted, Savile Park
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Given that the words themselves aren't necessary, but the meaning must be conveyed(albeit that to depart from the verbatim regs carries a risk) we'll have to disagree on this one.

As it's probable that this line would be rejected, I think the OP should wait to see whether other ideas are forthcoming.



Re: Calderdale Council, code 30 parked for longer than permitted, Savile Park
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Thank you for the invaluable support, should I get the above appeal put through or just tell my friend to pay the £25 rather than wait and end up paying £50?

Thank you.

Re: Calderdale Council, code 30 parked for longer than permitted, Savile Park
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On the contravention the 2 hours plus 10 mins grace were accounted for from the first observation so this seems solid.

There are two signs by the bay and although set back on the verge they look clear - did he think it was a free bay?

You can always ask for discretion - maybe there was something urgent - but the £25 discount is the lowest PCN amount anywhere in the UK so not the end of the world.

I don't know about the wording issue but it seems not worthwhile to save £25 to carry this on.


Re: Calderdale Council, code 30 parked for longer than permitted, Savile Park
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Thanks for this, he was in a rush to get to hospital and assumed it was free as most of the street is free, sadly for him after doing a full days work he came back to the fine. I'll advise him pay it.