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Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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My son has received a PCN.

Having checked the video, he was in and out of the bus lane at around 16:00.50s.

I have checked his clock on his car. It's an older vehicle that does not auto update the clock with GPS or anything similar. His time is 2 minutes out.

Is this a defendable position?

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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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Quote from: JulianV on September 24, 2025, 12:33:55 pm
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Is this a defendable position?

Thanks

Should be...
As usual, for meaningful advice you will need to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here
all sides of the PCN (only redact yr name & address - leave all else in),
the video,
any council photos,
and
a GSV link to the location.
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« Last Edit: September 24, 2025, 04:46:40 pm by JulianV »
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« Last Edit: September 24, 2025, 04:47:02 pm by JulianV »
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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OP, pl provide a GSV link to the applicable traffic sign advising of the restricted hours.

Also, pl provide a GSV link to 'Balgores Rd' RM2!
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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There are various arguments but first we need the video
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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Quote from: H C Andersen on September 24, 2025, 04:59:50 pm
OP, pl provide a GSV link to the applicable traffic sign advising of the restricted hours.

Also, pl provide a GSV link to 'Balgores Rd' RM2!

This, from the GSV link provided by the OP, appears to be the sign
https://maps.app.goo.gl/kuJuiKndMtpX4MPx8

Sorry, HCA, but I fail to see the Balgores Road connection??
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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Im struggling to embed the video.

Hope this helps:

https://imgur.com/a/R66gdVK
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The link helps :)

Assuming his car is the one with the hazard lights on leaving the 'bus lane at 18:00:54 I'd say you have an excellent case for a de minimis appeal. Post a draft here for comment before sending.. There have been past adjudications which have said the car clock cannot vbe expected to be set ny the atomic clock.

Is the car and V5C in your son's name?
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Assuming his car is the one with the hazard lights on leaving the 'bus lane at 18:00:54 I'd say you have an excellent case for a de minimis appeal. Post a draft here for comment before sending.. There have been past adjudications which have said the car clock cannot vbe expected to be set ny the atomic clock.

That was my initial thoughts (de minimis and clock accuracy)

Is the car and V5C in your son's name?

Yes
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First draft; thoughts gang?

I am writing to formally appeal the PCN issued.

According to the evidence, I left a bus lane at 16:00:54, while the bus lane was active at 16:00. Given the very narrow time difference of just seconds, I believe this case falls within the de minimis threshold. It is unreasonable to expect my vehicle's clock, which is not synchronised with an atomic clock, to be perfectly precise.

Considering this minor discrepancy, I kindly request that the charge be reviewed and dismissed on the basis that this is a negligible timing difference that cannot reasonably be subject to enforcement.

Thank you for your understanding and consideration. I look forward to your response.

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Remember, the rep must be from yr son as registered keeper.

Wait for others to comment but do not miss deadline.
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Unless my eyes deceived me, a PCN with location Balgores Rd RM2 was posted previously. (Balgores Rd is hardly a combination it would be possible to pick at random!)

If not, Specsavers beckons.
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All 34j tickets are beatable.
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
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Quote from: H C Andersen on September 24, 2025, 08:49:49 pm
Unless my eyes deceived me, a PCN with location Balgores Rd RM2 was posted previously. (Balgores Rd is hardly a combination it would be possible to pick at random!)

If not, Specsavers beckons.

Would you prefer 1 or 2pm for your visit?! Not sure where Balgores Road comes in?
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