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Hi all ,


Been redirected here from Pepipoo by cp8759, thank you for that.


If anyone gets a chance to have a look at this to see if it is valid and the legislation is correct i would appreciate it.

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Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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Your link was broken in transit!

Here
https://goo.gl/maps/zpNooHs6srqafSKE8

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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Thanks John. Not sure how that happened .

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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Hang on ! According to the PCN it is issued under the TMA 2004 and associated regulations of 2022, so the statutory grounds are incomplete.

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2) An enforcement notice must include the following information—

(a)that—
(i)the recipient may make representations against the penalty charge in accordance with regulation 5 of these Regulations, but
(ii)any such representations made outside the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the notice is served (“the payment period”) may be disregarded;
(b)the nature of the representations which may be made under regulation 5;

Representations against the enforcement notice
5.—(1) The recipient may make representations against the enforcement notice to the enforcement authority which served it on the recipient.

(2) The representations must be—

(a)made in the form determined by the enforcement authority, and
(b)to either or both of the following effects—
(i)that in relation to the alleged contravention, one or more of the grounds specified in paragraph (4) apply;
(ii)that, whether or not any of those grounds apply, there are compelling reasons why, in the particular circumstances of the case, the enforcement authority should cancel the penalty charge and refund any sum paid to it on account of the penalty charge.
(3) In determining the form for making representations, the enforcement authority must act through the joint committee.

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(4) The grounds mentioned in paragraph (2)(b)(i) are—

(a)the alleged contravention did not occur;
(b)the recipient—
(i)never was the owner of the vehicle in question,
(ii)had ceased to be its owner before the alleged contravention occurred, or
(iii)became its owner after the alleged contravention occurred;
(c)at the time that the alleged contravention occurred, the vehicle in question was in the control of a person who did not have the consent of the owner;
(d)the recipient is a vehicle-hire firm and—
(i)the vehicle in question was at the material time hired from that firm under a hiring agreement, and
(ii)the person hiring it had signed a statement of liability acknowledging their liability in respect of any penalty charge notice served in respect of any relevant road traffic contravention involving the vehicle during the currency of the hiring agreement;
(e)the penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case;
(f)there has been a procedural impropriety on the part of the enforcement authority;
(g)the order which is alleged to have been contravened in relation to the vehicle concerned, except where it is an order to which Part 6 of Schedule 9 to the RTRA 1984 applies, is invalid;
(h)if a regulation 10 penalty charge notice is served under regulation 10(2)(b) or (c) of the 2022 General Regulations, no person prevented a civil enforcement officer from—
(i)fixing a regulation 9 penalty charge notice to the vehicle concerned, or
(ii)handing such a notice to the owner or person in charge of the vehicle;
(i)the enforcement notice should not have been served because—
(i)the penalty charge has already been paid in full, or
(ii)the penalty charge has been paid, reduced by the amount of any discount set in accordance with Schedule 9 to the TMA 2004, by the applicable date as specified in paragraph 1(3) of Schedule 3 to the 2022 General Regulations.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2023, 07:48:35 pm by Incandescent »

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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Thank you for taking the time to have a look at this for me incandescent.

So are you saying there is a flaw with this pcn and it is not valid ?

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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Yes.
In May 2022, new regulations were introduced for the Traffic Management Act 2004 and at the same time, councils outside London, enforcing bus lanes under earlier legislation, were transferred to the bus lane process defined in the TMA 2004 and its supporting regulations of May 2022.  This meant that the PCN templates for bus lanes had to be changed to reflect the new regulations.

Here they aren't changed correctly.  The corrct Act and regulations are there, but the PCN is void some of the statutory grounds for appealing in the regulations are omitted. Omitting these is a procedural impropriety and thus the PCN is void.

Howver wait for the others to confirm I am correct, (but I'm sure I am !!).

This forum has shown, over the years, how totally thick and stupid some councils are. Here is a typical council.

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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Spot on @Incandescent

Draft representations:

Dear Essex County Council,

I challenge liability for PCN ES55411816 on the basis of a procedural impropriety. Specifically the statutory grounds of appeal at regulation 5(4)(g) and (f) of The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 are missing from the Enforcement Notice that has been served. That is a procedural impropriety on the basis of which the penalty charge must be cancelled.


Yours faithfully,

As always send them online and keep a screenshot of the confirmation screen.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Thank you very much for your help @Incandescent, your knowledge is second to none.

And @cp8759 Thank you for your time for drafting my representations and steering me here today, i will report back with an update from the appeal.

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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Evening All,

Received notice of rejection of representation in the post today -

https://ibb.co/mXRPSQj
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They seem to think everything is in order with there PCN.

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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The person who wrote that letter won't even know what a statutory ground for appeal is !  The statement is, of course, tosh, so you should forego the discount and register an appeal at London Tribunals.

Had the PCN been issued under the London-specific legislation for bus lane enforcement, then the statutory grounds would have been correct and complete.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2023, 08:58:47 pm by Incandescent »

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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@Free Parking would you like me to represent you at the tribunal?

This would be an easy one and I'm skeptical that they'll contest, but you never know.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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The person who wrote that letter won't even know what a statutory ground for appeal is !  The statement is, of course, tosh, so you should forego the discount and register an appeal at London Tribunals.

Had the PCN been issued under the London-specific legislation for bus lane enforcement, then the statutory grounds would have been correct and complete.

Thank you for the advice, much appreciated.

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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@Free Parking would you like me to represent you at the tribunal?

This would be an easy one and I'm skeptical that they'll contest, but you never know.

Yes please!. Do i have to let them no this in the trubunal registration?.


Thank you CP .

Re: Bus Lane PCN - Chelmsford
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Please don't register anything, I'll drop you a PM.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order