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Re: Brent 53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone,Okehampton Rd NW10 Chamberlayn
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The next step would be to appeal to the tribunal, I'll drop you a PM in case you'd like me to represent you.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Brent 53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone,Okehampton Rd NW10 Chamberlayn
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Photos!

They have produced evidence in the form of photos dated 28 Jan. with the warning sign orientated towards the driver. Within this thread there are also undated photos showing the contrary. Ditto for GSV.

These show at least that the sign could be likened to a windsock and 'blows' where it will depending upon wind direction! More importantly these must surely show/mean that:

The authority attach weight to its orientation because they included it as part of their rationale;

It's not a constant.

What was it like on the date of the contravention? Would you/your rep be able to cast sufficient doubt upon its orientation such as to persuade the adjudicator to allow your appeal? 
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Re: Brent 53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone,Okehampton Rd NW10 Chamberlayn
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Hi all,

I also have a PCN at the same place at the end of January.

The signs were taken down between then and some point about 6 weeks ago and replaced. I have photo evidence of the signs taken down.

Clearly the signage was inadequate.

What is the correct course of action as I’m about to write a first appeal.

Thanks
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Re: Brent 53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone,Okehampton Rd NW10 Chamberlayn
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Quote from: Lon217 on June 20, 2025, 04:50:40 pm
What is the correct course of action as I’m about to write a first appeal.

Start your own thread.
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Re: Brent 53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone,Okehampton Rd NW10 Chamberlayn
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Quote from: Lon217 on June 20, 2025, 04:50:40 pm
Hi all,
I also have a PCN at the same place at the end of January.
The signs were taken down between then and some point about 6 weeks ago and replaced. I have photo evidence of the signs taken down.
Clearly the signage was inadequate.
What is the correct course of action as I’m about to write a first appeal.
Thanks

For advice with your own case please to
have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and start your own thread with
a brief account of all the circumstances (by all means include a reference (link) to this thread),
all sides of the PCN and of all correspondence to and from the Council (redact only yr name & address - leave all else in),
any Council photos,
and
a GSV link to the location.

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I’m about to write a first appeal.

Reps to Council or appeal to tribunal?
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Re: Brent 53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone,Okehampton Rd NW10 Chamberlayn
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Thank you gents for the guidance.
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53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone,Okehampton Rd NW10 Chamberlayne Rd
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Hi all,

Hope you’re all doing well.

Following on from this topic https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/brent-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-on-vehicles-entering-a--5224/

I received a PCN. All the same points as the topic already posted. Just to add they did indeed replace the signage. As of 13 April (I took pictures) the signs were blank. They have since been restored. I have been driving down this road for decades only to be surprised with this.

Another note is that the PCN has come in a relatives name as she is the registered keeper. I was the driver and the car is a leased vehicle. 

https://imgur.com/a/SviGzF3

Thanks
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Re: Brent 53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone,Okehampton Rd NW10 Chamberlayn
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One other thing to add which I don’t know if it’s relevant.

The original PCN contravention date is 31/1/25. It went to the lease company and the PCN only came in the post in May. This seems like a very long time. Is this allowed?
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Re: Brent 53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone,Okehampton Rd NW10 Chamberlayn
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Quote from: Lon217 on June 20, 2025, 07:02:47 pm
I’ve started a new thread here for anyone interested
One thread per case, I've merged the threads for that reason.

Outcome here.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Brent 53J Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone,Okehampton Rd NW10 Chamberlayn
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I really like these clearly-articulated decisions.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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