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Baffling TFL PCNS
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I have driven the same route to my children’s nursery for 3 years. However, on 16th Sept I received a PCN for making a ‘prohibited’ left turn. Since then, I have received a further 10 and counting (drive the route twice a day, 4 days a week) for the period between the PCNs starting to be charged and the date of the first letter, for the same turn!

Firstly I am baffled. There is no new signage to denote a change.

Secondly I do not believe the road signs to support a no left turn PCN.

Thirdly, in a worst case I’m told I have to pay this, surely there is something I can do to consolidate these into one (they currently are stacking up to £1,280 for exactly the same, unknowing offence).

Accordingly to PCN checker my first challenge has been rejected but I’m awaiting details. I will go to tribunal and would welcome advice on how to over turn, or worst case, ask for the PCnS to be amalgated into one given context.

My original challenge is below. Images should be here:
https://imgur.com/a/S0K5yFU



https://imgur.com/pcn3-RJ4wlBw





https://imgur.com/pcn3-RJ4wlBw

https://imgur.com/a/pcn-S0K5yFU


My challenge is below:

I would refer to my concurrent PCNs GX28953973, GX2909378A, GX29237358, GX293446397, GX29305447, GX29265036. I have contested every single one on the day received, some of which are up to 18 days post alleged contravention.

As documented in this, as a road user leaving Havil Street, there is no visible signage to inform drivers or cyclists they cannot make this turn. I have several points on which to contest:

1. Currently, the sign as you leave Havil Street makes clear you cannot turn left onto Peckham Road. There are no other signs visible ahead, when you are at the junction, saying you cannot turn into Vestry Road. However, there are clear places you would expect to see these signs, such as on the lamppost directly ahead on the corner of Vestry Road, if this was the case. There are no signs.
2. I would add that as you come out of Havil Street, the signs on the Peckham road are obscured by a lamp post so, if these signs visible for road users at the Peckham Road lights are intended for those leaving Havil Street too, there is a clear visibility issue and is unreasonable to expect a driver to see these.
3. The signs for users in both directions on Peckham road are very clear there is no entry to either Havil Street or Vestry road. However both Havil Street and Vestry road are two way roads clearly indicating, alongside the absence of visible signage, that the only entry point is via either Havil Street direct to Vestry road, or vice versa. If this is not the case why do you not have clear no entry signs and make the streets one way as there is no other means of entry remaining.
4. I also attach a photo from turning into Havil Street where it makes clear no access to Southampton Way so there is precedent for this sort of sign, only endorsing the confusion given there is no sign of this nature entering Vestry Road.
5. I have driven this route for over three years with no issue. Since the moment I received the first PCN I have not driven this route as I await clarity. due to the 2 week time lag in you sending PCNs though, you have put me in a completely unfair position. For the subsequent weeks I have been seeking alternative routes, every day I have seen multiple cars and bikes, from both directions, cross from Havil Street to Vestry road so I can only assume I am receiving these in error.

Please find photographic evidence attached.

To summarize, please find my photos showing no visible signage. I am very upset by this situation that has come to pass after three years, and very confused to be held accountable for an action that is on TFL to address via clear and appropriate road signs if it is a contravention.

Kind regards
« Last Edit: September 28, 2025, 06:04:21 pm by LMo »

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Re: Baffling TFL PCNS
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Please post up the first PCN and a list of all the others, providing they are identical. Please leave everything visible. Redact/obscure your name and address.

Have you had a Notice of Rejection yet for the first PCN. If so, please post it up.

Instructions for posting documents and pictures are in the  READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post at the top of this forum.

What's the vehicle reg?
« Last Edit: September 28, 2025, 05:28:57 pm by Enceladus »

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How do I attach photos?

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Looking on Google streetview I'd agree there are no signs to prohibit going across. Most likely the cameras are new and haven't been calibrated to filter out 'left turns' originating from the side street.

We'll need docs etc to comment in more detail.
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Have you read the sticky thread setting out instructions?

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Thanks ever so much - I am new and struggling to navigate slightly. Where are the sticky thread instructions?

I could also provide clear evidence I was coming from Havil Street as have nursery documents which show pick up times.

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Thanks ever so much - I am new and struggling to navigate slightly. Where are the sticky thread instructions?

I could also provide clear evidence I was coming from Havil Street as have nursery documents which show pick up times.
Please see my reply #1 above. There's a link in the text to the sticky post.

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Thank you. Will work to upload. License LK19 AXV


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Can you add a photo of at least one of the PCNs (all pages)? Just redact your name and address.

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I had posted on Imgur but I think it is only showing first 3 uploads. Does this work?

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The traffic lights have the No Left Turn sign  on them, so really that would, I think tend to destroy any evidence you may present on lack of signs, because they are signs just like any others.

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@Incandescent but they are no left turn onto the Peckham road. This is a right turn onto Peckham road then a near immediate left onto Vestsy road. My point is, having turned left onto Peckham road, there is nothing visible telling you that you cannot go left
Into Vestry road (as I and all the other road users have been doing for years!)

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Agree, you correctly turn right onto Peckham Road (so not in breach of the no left turn sign).

Once you are on Peckham Road there's no signage that I can see which bars you from turning immediately left onto Havil Street.

What signage there is is further back on Peckham Road before you join it.

If you can't turn onto Havil Street (left or right) from Peckham Road, then the only way to access it is surely from Vestry Road.

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@Incandescent but they are no left turn onto the Peckham road. This is a right turn onto Peckham road then a near immediate left onto Vestsy road. My point is, having turned left onto Peckham road, there is nothing visible telling you that you cannot go left
Into Vestry road (as I and all the other road users have been doing for years!)
OK, got it.
And you must on a certain slam-dunk win at London Tribunal with this case, as here are the traffic lights on Peckham Road: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/LfebgytxeyYTE4C57
yet there is no signage whatever on approach from Havill Street.