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Hi, I have received a pcn from London Borough of Haringey, 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor vehicle) turning left Gordon Rd N11 onto Bounds Green Rd. On councils photo evidence online it shows road barriers around the planter so that particular sign was obscured. Please can anyone confirm is it worth making my representation saying exactly that and to refer to their own photo? Separately, my child was staying overnight at the Scout Centre Gordon Rd, so in effect he was a resident that we were dropping off. I'm on day 9 out of 14 so the clock is ticking. Please advise if unlikely to get any joy I'll just pay straightaway as can't afford £130. Thanks

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@Barnetbod you need to read the guidance here and update your post accordingly.
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The increased payment period is wrongly stated: payment from 28 days of service. Wrong action.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


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There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: 52(M) failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor vehicles) Haringey
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So here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kxum277MfacivDZA7

Even if the sign on the planter was obscured, there would have still been two signs, one on either side of the road, so really this is going to be a case for the strategy of last resort (which can win, so don't give up and pay now).

Do you have any evidence about your child's stay?

Also do you have any mitigating circumstances, especially anything unrelated to the alleged contravention?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Thanks for the responses and the video which I'd never seen prior to this. Not sure what the first comment above means re 28 days.

Re the second one, I have an email forwarded from the North London Scouts saying an overnight event was taking place but doesn't specifically mention my child. The leader also got a pcn for the same reason but she has paid and appealed in the hope it will be refunded later.
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Quote from: Barnetbod on January 17, 2025, 07:31:45 am
Thanks for the responses and the video which I'd never seen prior to this. Not sure what the first comment above means re 28 days.


The PCN wrongly states which action triggers the period in which the council may serve a charge certificate: “If the Penalty Charge is not paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £195.00 maybe payable. We may then send you a Charge Certificate.” The law states at Schedule 1 5:

1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge to which it relates is not paid before the end of the relevant period, the enforcing authority may serve on that person a statement (in this paragraph referred to as a “charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in question is increased by 50 per cent.

(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28 days beginning—

(a)where no representations are made under paragraph 1 above, with the date on which the penalty charge notice is served;
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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@Hippocrates this looks correct to me?



@Barnetbod have a read of this: https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/l-b-waltham-forest-50r-performing-a-prohibited-turn/msg7581/#msg7581

If you share the supporting evidence with me privately, I can set up a couple of links with a click counter. I'll drop you a PM.
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@cp8759 This will be tested on 21st as it is arguable also that the 28 days to issue a charge certificate pertaining to representations deadline which, therefore, is absent in the PCN.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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OP has joined the mugged club.
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