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34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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Good Afternoon

I have received a PCN from Lambeth Parking with notice of an alleged contravention of being in a bus lane.

I very rarely drive in London and am unfamiliar with the road layouts, however I am aware of the need to stay out of bus lanes, mainly to avoid the hassle of having to fight them! I was therefore surprised to receive the PCN today.

I vaguely recall turning left at that junction, and remember thinking that "I obviously need to use that lane to turn left" and did not for one moment consider that in doing so I was in breach of the bus lane rule. Being unfamiliar with the road layout, I did not know that I could also turn left by remaining in the middle lane. I was also confused by the arrow drawn in the road that appeared to point to the left lane, and I only noticed the Bus Lane sign drawn on the road after I was already committed to turning left- the bus lane sign was also very close to a pedestrian crossing and it was not clearly distinguished from the crossing markers- and to consider that all of these things happen within the space of a few seconds!

I have no intention to pay this PCN, and would be fairly confident of challenging and winning, however I do not want to give the council any inch in this fight, hence coming here for advice before i make my informal appeal, and later follow up with the inevitable formal challenge after the rejection letter.

is there anything obvious to challenge before the real fight begins?

I look forward to the journey ahead, and the eventual victory :-)

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Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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Still unable to load files, i'll try later on


Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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https://imgur.com/a/21hKLzN

Here's the link to the PCN

Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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Please to repost all sides of the PCN redacting only yr name & address.(Often mistakes in the 'small print')

Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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We've seen this location quite a lot over the years.
First off there is the advance sign for the bus lane: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oKtFy5zcFhcTTc6ZA
then the bus lane start signs, preceded by the dashed broad line at an angle, plus arrows on the carriageway to direct you to the right: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xGewD64dcsuBwXDG9
Then you have the broad white line indicating the bus lane.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/vHQjxL9rwYDE2Ay17
The traffic lights show you can turn left from the traffic lane: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kw7PXuCa3UNgZo5B8

So from the above you might infer that taking the matter to London Tribunals is a lost cause, but there have been quite a few wins here with different adjudicators, based on inadequate/misleading signage, so if you're prepared to risk the full £130 you could win this one. As far as I can see, the signage that the adjudicators consider is poor remains unchanged. CLearly Lambeth make more than enough money from people who just cough-up the discount, to not bother about the cases they lose at London Tribunals.

Anyway, here is the London Tribunals webpage for looking at their statutory register: -
https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:30::INITIALISE::Y::&cs=3jxbh8q09dgnKJR7KQmzpq2RXh5k5HfxVcP47WbSrcm7mtNdd5MMJyFBB0uAUdktByYMHcBTdjoYUqburKwHpYA
Go to the ETA register with option 'search', and type in the location as it is on the PCN, plus a start date, somthing like 01 01 2022 plus type in 'appeal allowed'.

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I have no intention to pay this PCN, and would be fairly confident of challenging and winning, however I do not want to give the council any inch in this fight, hence coming here for advice before i make my informal appeal, and later follow up with the inevitable formal challenge after the rejection letter.

A word of warning. Follow the process and you could succeed, but if you lose at London Tribunals, you have to pay or bailiffs will be knocking at your door eventually. It's a double-or-quits gamble basically, with the odds looking quite good.


Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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https://imgur.com/a/AxNDtkS

The reverse of the PCN

Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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A word of warning. Follow the process and you could succeed, but if you lose at London Tribunals, you have to pay or bailiffs will be knocking at your door eventually. It's a double-or-quits gamble basically, with the odds looking quite good.
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Absolutely, if the tribunal side with the council then I'll have no option but to pay

Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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I will advise later in detail.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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Absolutely, if the tribunal side with the council then I'll have no option but to pay


I have not lost a bus lane case in the last three years.  We need your PCN and VRM to view the video and then make a challenge.

They have to prove the contravention - not you or Google.  ;D
« Last Edit: September 03, 2024, 09:03:24 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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Here is the video link:

https://imgur.com/a/clJ9s7B

Here is the PCN (Front):

https://imgur.com/a/21hKLzN

Here is the PCN (Back):

https://imgur.com/a/AxNDtkS

Hippocrates- your words fill me with confidence, Οι Έλληνες ξέρουν καλύτερα  ;D
« Last Edit: September 04, 2024, 02:19:12 pm by Bruno23 »

Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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Draft

Dear Lambeth

I make this challenge against PCN                    VRM

1. The alleged contravention did not occur as the video does not show any upright signage allegedly passed.

2. I put you to strict proof that the camera used at this location has the correct VCA approval of a certified device.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN

Reg. keeper

************

This is the first part of the game. If we had the PCN number we could check what their website states re the grounds.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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Thank you,informal appeal submitted

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« Last Edit: September 20, 2024, 10:42:06 am by Bruno23 »

Re: 34J Bus Lane contravention- Clapham Park Road
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I will go ahead and submit an informal appeal, i have some time to prepare it.

The reality of the sitution is that I genuinely did not know that I could turn left from remaining in the middle lane- the signage is not adequate and this is why thousands of others have been caught out at that same junction.

If the council genuinely wanted to deter people from using the left lane (i.e. the bus lane), then a "GET IN LANE" sign is needed, but of couse the council do not want to do that, because they enjoy the revenue from the fines.