3. 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« previous next »
Pages: [1]

Author Topic: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)  (Read 367 times)

0 Members and 64 Guests are viewing this topic.

33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« on: »
Hi all,

I found myself the recipient of the following PCN for accidentally ending up on a restricted bus route (my fault for being too trusty of the sat nav, but alas…!)

A similar case was debated last year in the following post
33J Hillingdon Bus Route

However, I noticed that the wording has been amended since  —  more specifically, they now state this PCN

Quote
must be paid within the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the penalty charge notice is served on this notice

Could anyone be so kind as to advise which grounds it would be best to challenge this PCN on?



Please find at the link below pictures of the full PCN, identifying details redacted


https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UO7ISQw9ezboWSOiGjWdXz0k7zTt28Vm?usp=sharing
Logged

Share on Bluesky Share on Facebook

Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #1 on: »
--- deleted in favour of the pictures below ---
« Last Edit: October 23, 2024, 04:17:20 pm by joe-01 »
Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #2 on: »
For meaningful advice, please re-post the PCN with all the missing details re-instated (except for yr name & address) and all the remaining pages and a GSV link to the location.

See also
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #3 on: »
Hi John, thank you for your feedback.
Please find below the better version of the PCN (all pages attached)



Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #4 on: »
Much better  :)  - now the experts here can put a fine toothcomb throuigh the 'small print'.
Is this where you entered the 'bus lane?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KAVr3iHf91Uwr41N8

If so, from which direction did you come?
Logged
Love Love x 1 View List
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #5 on: »
Quote from: John U.K. on October 23, 2024, 04:31:04 pm
Much better  :)  - now the experts here can put a fine toothcomb throuigh the 'small print'.
Is this where you entered the 'bus lane?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KAVr3iHf91Uwr41N8

If so, from which direction did you come?

Yes, that is precisely where I entered the bus lane.
I entered Vine St right after Cross St turned into Hillingdon Rd

https://maps.app.goo.gl/xmKwZAtjtbexZ7zy6

https://maps.app.goo.gl/z7wrcx3f5n9Hin8V8
Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #6 on: »
So you passed this advance warning sign on the left here?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2tvnqMfUo5jc9GG7A
Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #7 on: »
Yes, I believe I must have passed that advance warning sign
Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #8 on: »
I can easily snap some pictures in this area if need be.
Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #9 on: »
It would appear this road was making the news already 6 years ago for the very same reasons

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/uxbridge-gazette/20180704/281569471477279
Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #10 on: »
The advance warning sign is not a traffic sign and most motorists would not notice it. It is yet another example of council stupidity. What is required is a sign showing the layout ahead, with the bus lane sign shown on it for the second exit of the mini-roundabout, to indicate the motorist must drive right, (3rd exit), or left, (1st exit) but not straight ahead, (2nd exit). Pretty simple, one would think, but of course if they did this the PCN cash flow would cease.
Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #11 on: »
Quote from: Incandescent on October 24, 2024, 06:48:04 pm
The advance warning sign is not a traffic sign and most motorists would not notice it. It is yet another example of council stupidity. What is required is a sign showing the layout ahead, with the bus lane sign shown on it for the second exit of the mini-roundabout, to indicate the motorist must drive right, (3rd exit), or left, (1st exit) but not straight ahead, (2nd exit). Pretty simple, one would think, but of course if they did this the PCN cash flow would cease.

Would this be valid grounds to appeal this PCN?
Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #12 on: »
It is valid grounds, but whether the sign is misleading or not is subjective so an adjudicator could decide either way, but if combined with figures showing the number of PCNs issued at this location, it might swing it.
Logged
Re: 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)
« Reply #13 on: »
This may be won on their website:

33J - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles (camera enforcement)

We will consider your appeal according to our appeals policy. If your reason for appeal is not listed in the policy, we are unlikely to accept it. However we will still consider your case individually.


Moving Traffic reasons
The following reasons relate to moving traffic contraventions

Select a reason:
 I have already paid the PCN 
 I was not at the location on the day 
 I was not the driver 
 I was not the owner / keeper of the vehicle 
 My vehicle had broken down 
 My vehicle was cloned 
 My vehicle was stolen 
 The vehicle was on hire to someone else 
None of the above
If none of the above reasons apply, and you wish to challenge your PCN, please select below:

Select a reason:
 Any other reason 

***

This is rubbish and if you type in the statutory grounds such as penalty exceeded the amount, it comes up with similar rubbish.

I would not mention it yet! But, if this goes to the Tribunal, I am happy to assist.
Logged
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Pages: [1]
« previous next »
  3. 33J Hillingdon Bus Route (10-2024 edition)