Latest road deaths stats

• There has been no significant reduction in UK road deaths and serious injuries over the past five years.
• Brake is calling on the Government to adopt measures that are known to save lives, including: Default 20 mph speed limits on roads in built‑up and residential areas

Considering that 20mph limits have been in place in Wales for two years now, and for longer in some parts of England, those statements would appear to be at odds with each other...

The devil will be in the detail - if 20mph limits have saved (for example) 30 lives in built up areas and Larry Leadfoot has smashed into a bus at 135mph on the motorway killing 30 people, the overall numbers will be the same and the 20mph zone can save lives.

The devil will be in the detail - if 20mph limits have saved (for example) 30 lives in built up areas and Larry Leadfoot has smashed into a bus at 135mph on the motorway killing 30 people, the overall numbers will be the same and the 20mph zone can save lives.

Not if Larry Leadfoot was travelling at 135mph because he was tired, angry, frustrated and now late for a very important meeting after having to crawl at 20mph along numerous Welsh roads. 

Well we can expect road accidents and deaths to plummet in Birmingham, as they are reducing nearly all 40mph limits down to 30mph.

I never knew about this until earlier today when it turns out that Chester Road North has been dropped to a thirty by simply removing the 40mph signs at the Queslett Road roundabout, and also disappearing the 40mph repeaters.

Some info here

Useful maps are at Be Heard

You would have thought that such an important change would have involved massive publicity and vehicle activated signs and all kinds of roadside warning, but i must have missed all that

Birmingham drivers are among the worst and the city has lagged badly in traffic calming.

My son is a radiologist at QEH and sees a lot of horrendous traffic 'accidents' - on nights last weekend these included a young woman he reported as brain dead and a man with a collapsed lung who needed immediate surgery.

Birmingham drivers are among the worst and the city has lagged badly in traffic calming.

My son is a radiologist at QEH and sees a lot of horrendous traffic 'accidents' - on nights last weekend these included a young woman he reported as brain dead and a man with a collapsed lung who needed immediate surgery.

what road type were those accidents on?
urban? rural? mway?

I doubt A&E are concerned with the road type but probably get info on nature of accident such as speeds. There are stats on incidents by road collected by the police of course.

I doubt A&E are concerned with the road type but probably get info on nature of accident such as speeds. There are stats on incidents by road collected by the police of course.

So where is the evidence of your claim that "Birmingham drivers are among the worst and the city has lagged badly in traffic calming."?

The council declared a road safety emergency last year.

At least nobody has been run over by a bin lorry for a while.

The council declared a road safety emergency last year.

...and?