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Ticket given in East Dulwich due to very old 'Loading Bay' signage on road.

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#1
I'm very confident this is open and shut but I wanted to check with the experts.

My wife got a ticket having parked in what she thought was a pay an display area. It is clearly signposted as such on the pavement. However, there are still markings on the road from a long, long time ago when the business nearby was an old furniture store and they must have had a lot of deliveries.

She parked in the bay assuming it was pay and display and I have the evidence. Despite the markings on the road there are no Loading Only signs anywhere except on the road. I think there has to be signs on the pavement as well? Clearly there isn't.

Also they have my car down as brown not black but I am not sure that makes any difference?

Am I alright to contest by saying that these are old markings and Loading Bays must also have clear signage on the pavement and not just road markings?

Thank you for you time.

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- evidence of paying for parking

Photos from road showing no LOADING BAY signs, just road markings.

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#2
Check the council photos on the Southwark website, they clearly show a sign on the pavement, but it is low down, so don't know if there's a specific height for these.
Was your wife dropping off/collecting anything as this may be allowed under the premise of loading?
Last Edit: Yesterday at 06:34:21 pm by catnip
#3
I have to admit that when I went down today to check the place out I didn't see that sign because the large bins were in the way. My wife also says that she didn't see this sign at all. The shop owner says they have had a lot of problems with this issue and that the bins are always there. I wonder if the warden moved the bins to show the sign?

Does anyone who knows the law know if this sign at 1 foot off the ground is enough? Surely it should be better placed?
#4
The sign isn't actually needed because it states that the restriction applies 24/7 which is the same meaning conveyed by the markings themselves because  absent a sign they mean 24/7.

I think you would not succeed with your argument at adjudication, but you'll probably get 2 bites at the cherry with the council with nothing more than the discounted penalty being at risk before this.
#5
Case reference   2240353572
Appellant   xxxxx
Authority   London Borough of Southwark
VRM   GU09 PUA
PCN Details
PCN   JK13006481
Contravention date   20 Feb 2024
Contravention time   17:07:00
Contravention location   ZENORIA STREET
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked in a loading place without loading
Referral date   -
Decision Date   25 Sep 2024
Adjudicator   Cordelia Fantinic
Appeal decision   Appeal refused
Direction   Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons   
1. The Appellant attended in person. Lee Woolward attended on behalf of the Authority.

2. The Appellant explained that she had parked in the belief that she was using a paid for parking bay, which provided 30 minutes of free parking. The Appellant obtained a free session and has provided evidence of that. The Appellant discovered a Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) issuing a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) on her return to her vehicle, and he informed her that she was parked in a loading bay. The Appellant has submitted photographs and a short recording to show the signage in place. The Appellant submits that it is poorly positioned and that from the view from her car, the sign indicating 30 minutes free parking appeared to apply to the bay that she parked in

3. Mr Woolward submitted that the signs were in the correct place and that the words "loading only" on the carriageway made it clear that the bay in which the Appellant's vehicle was parked was for loading only. Mr Woolward commented that the carriageway markings had been repainted within the last year. Mr Woolward said that they had put the signs on separate posts to avoid potential confusion of having two different restrictions on one post.

4. The Appellant commented that the Authority could have placed the two signs on the single post and included directional arrows to inform the motorist of the restrictions on either side of the post.

5. The CEO's photographs show the Appellant's vehicle parked in a marked bay, which has the words "loading only" along side it. There is a sign about one metre high adjacent to the vehicle, on the footway side, which informs motorists that the bay is for loading only. There appears to be a space for another vehicle ahead of the Appellant's vehicle.

6. The Authority has provided a Google Street View of the road, which shows that the sign that the Appellant relied on is attached to a lamppost that is adjacent to the next bay along from the loading bay. The loading bay and the parking bay are divided by a dash line.

7. On the evidence before me, I find that the loading bay was adequately and clearly marked by carriageway markings and an upright sign. The position of the parking bay sign post within the bay in front was adequately clear to inform a motorist that its restrictions did not apply to the loading bay.

8. I found the Appellant to be a credible and reliable witness and I believed what she told me. I accept that the Appellant did not notice the loading sign and parked in the belief that she was parking correctly. However, these are mitigating circumstances. The Adjudicator is unable to allow an appeal based on mitigating circumstances. It is only the Authority that can cancel a PCN based on mitigation, and they have decided not to do so on this occasion.

9. On the evidence before me, I find that the contravention occurred. The Appellant has not established a statutory ground of appeal. This appeal is therefore refused.

10. Mr Woolward confirmed that the Authority would accept the reduced charge of £65 in settlement of the PCN, to be paid within 28 days of this decision.