No street parking signs, car impounded.

@Neil B

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@stamfordman on the back of one of the paper  there is some info about data protection act and the other one is empty. 
This is all  front and back recived from the office when I've collected my car.
I was told that i have to pay in full in order to collect my car. I've also asked where  I can complain and was told to try council. 
Nothing else recived in hand or thru post

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@Andu_Alex And the back of the PCN?

@stamfordman

He will be making reps against (1) the first PCN/NtO and (2) the second PCN and against the subsequent removal. A question arises in my mind as to whether (the reps against the PCN being substantially the same) he should ask for the 2 PCNs to be considered together, or submit separately in the hope they may be dealt with by different minions who reach different conclusions about identical reps.

@John U.K here is the PCN  back.
Thank you as well for your time

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Havinng paid the removal fee etc, it is a total no-brainer to take the council to London Tribunals where I would expect the appeal to succeed. This is totally risk free, because all the money to be paid has been paid and there are no additional costs to pay at London Tribunals.

However first the OP has to submit reps to the council and get rejected before an appeal to LT can even be registered, and there is a time limit for this.  So this needs to be top of one's mind when considering the content of the representations.

@Incandescent, hopefully i will get my money back. With Newham Council one never knows.
Indeed there is little time left to submit the appeal.

@Neil B

Irrespective of other valid matters raised there is a majpr issue regarding the removed vehicle >
That is, that they appear to have failed to advise you of your right to make representations and the period in which you may do so.
This wins on that point alone.

Indeed there is little time left to submit the appeal.

You are at representations stage, not 'appeal' and you need to get those reps done. What is the hold up?

@Neil B , I'm not familiar with proper terms and thought that are the same, appeal and the other one.
They didn't give me any kind of information,  I've  asked them but they didn't seem to be cooperative or willing to help,  dismissive is proper word for their behaviour. 
They have cameras there in the office and certainly they can look at recordings to confirm.
The only thing that holds me at the moment in order to send my email to newham is that I don't know haw to make it properly  and don't whant to  blow my chances away.
Last night @stamfordman told me that he will try to do something for me today. If he will have some time maybe he will send me.

@Neil B , i have previously had my car removed by them and I've recived exactly the same papers, no any other information either. But at that time they where right becouse i didn't pay for my parking in time ( stopped to drop off my wife at maternity ward for admission ) been in rush and forgot to make parking . So i didn't make any representations, accepted my fault. 

Ok.
It wasn't immediately clear that you needed someone to help with it but I see now.
I'm at hospital today so I hope Stamfordman or others can help you

The relevant regulation re what I'm referring to is 11 (2) of the reps and appeals regs, here >


Do you understand? You have told us that you have not been so advised by Newham.

John has correctly identified you deadline for reps for the removed vehicle, 11th Feb, so we have the weekend to play with.

I've not read back to see the date of the other one with an NtO

I've not read back to see the date of the other one with an NtO

@Neil B

NtO issued 20th Jan.

I've just been looking at this. Reps can be made for the PCN resulting in the tow using the informal challenge page on Newham's site so doesn't need a web code.

Newham will probably reject both and I can't at this stage think of much to say in reps.

Anyone else?

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PCN/tow PN21618804

I am making representations against the PCN on two grounds.

1. The contravention did not occur. There are no parking signs in the area of the estate where I regularly park. There is nothing indicating anything other than unrestricted parking.

2. Procedural impropriety. On release of my car at the pound I was not given information about my right to make representations to the enforcement authority under section 11 (2) of the Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022.

On either of these grounds the PCN must be cancelled and the money paid for the PCN and removal refunded.


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NTO PN21437184

The contravention did not occur. There are no parking signs in the area of the estate where I regularly park. There is nothing indicating anything other than unrestricted parking.

I look forward to your early confirmation of cancellation of this PCN.