Waltham Forest - 50L prohibited turn- Grove Road / Southwest Road E11

Pcn fr68311757

GSV:

Letters: PCN and NoR



I was working in the area and recognised the multiple pedestrian prohibited turns all around the area. This specific sign when approaching was obscured with black graffiti or paint. Hence why i made the specific left turn, I was unable to confirm the signs, not clear adequate signage.

 I made this clear during the appeal process, which the LA haven’t called out explicitly but provided photos and surprisingly photos taken of the sign and date stamped it as the same day the alleged contravention occurred!

By the time I received the PCN (cctv) by post and returned the sign still had some paint on it but looked like the weather rain or a scrub had reduced the obscurity.

I want to take this forward as the evidence provided by the local authority, I want to challenge it given the time stamp isn’t on the photo provided so it could have been cleaned by staff and photo taken on the same day later on the day. Or more seriously, it isn’t authentic, I’d like the digital copy to check the metadata location and time of the photo was taken?

No signage on video but seems to be sign on the approach on left.

@stamfordman yes, if you click the google drive link, in the NoR letter the LA have supposedly gone out on the same day and taken photos of the sign.

You can see from the images the black residue is visible which obscured the sign

any opinions on this. pushing it up.

@Hippocrates given the CCTV does not display the signage (no left turn) (which was also obscured)

similar to the bus lane appeal with TFL can I prompt them to prove the sign was there and clean and not obscured with paint or graffiti spray

pushing this up. for some thoughts

i wanted to check if my appeal for taking the left turn is valid on the basis:

1. cctv does not display sign (worked with tfl appeal on a bus lane cctv charge)

2. sign was obscured with black paint, local authority has tried to mitigate this appeal point I made, with photos of the sign, taken on the same day I made the left turn. I want to challenge this and ask for time stamp and digital copy to verify the metadata that it was truly taken at that time

bump - any advice helpful how to structure challenge to the photo evidence provided

and video evidence does not show me passing the sign (have won appeal with tfl bus lane in same manner)

Hi experts, can I ask if the CCTV does not display me passing the signage is that valid grounds to appeal, I am thinking about the tfl bus lane cctv appeal argument

additionally the local authority has provided inaccurate photographs with the sign cleaned. photos from the same day (date stamped but not time stamped), can I request the digital copy of said photo to confirm that it was after I had made the turn.

the sign no turn was obscured