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Worth writing to the CPS?
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Hello there,

All set for Xmas?
Hope I can get some advice on my predicament.
Roughly a year ago, on a dark, rainy night was driving the M1 near Leicester. When the road works sign appeared with a speed limit of 50. The lanes abruptly narrowed to two and a huge lorry cut across me. I flashed my high beam and tried overtaking it. To avoid the lorry's spray which covered my windscreen. I also felt anxious, with two narrow lanes and a monster of a lorry nearly touching my side mirror.
 
A few miles down the road the car following me put on its Police lights, overtook me and flashed that dreaded sign 'Please follow' Was breathalysed and then sent on my way after I explained the situation. The cop claimed the lorry had to swerve and it caused a congestion on the M1,at around 11pm.

A week later, got the post, was charged with careless driving and took the 100-quid three-point point option. I thought I sent all the paperwork but it was a mess. Nothing got through, and then got an SJP. Which I pleaded guilty to and put the facts in my mitigating statement(huge mistake). Needless to say, got another letter that the case was not suitable for the SJP and got a date at the Magistrates court.

Contacted a traffic Solicitor, as I am now on 6 points and as a travelling salesman need the license or would come up as a totter. They advised me to enter a not-guilty plea, which was accepted and a date given in Feb 2025. The Solicitors also advised me to obtain footage, which I tried to do under the SAR. The response from the Traffic unit was that 'no dash cam footage was available'

What else could I write in my letter? Solicitors advise that it would take appearance in court would take at least 2 hours and the officer should ideally be present too. Isn't this all a waste of resources and time?
Please do give me your thoughts

Dave

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Re: Worth writing to the CPS?
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So, to recap, you are being prosecuted for careless driving, which may or may not be somehow related to an attempt to overtake a lorry that had cut you up. Through a serious of unfortunate events, you are now being prosecuted, and are considering writing to the CPS in the hope that they will drop the case, but aren't sure whether or not you would be wasting your time, so, instead have decided to waste both yours and our time writing a rambling post that very succinctly avoids most of the relevant details?
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Thanks, Andy
I intend to write to the CPS. Requesting them to drop the case as it serves no public cause.
Any advise or thoughts about the same would be much appreciated

Dave

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Thanks, Andy
I intend to write to the CPS. Requesting them to drop the case as it serves no public cause.
Any advise or thoughts about the same would be much appreciated

Don’t bother. You’ve provided absolutely nothing to suggest that the prosecution is not in the public interest.
I am not qualified to give legal advice in the UK. While I will do my best to help you, you should not rely on my advice as if it was given by a lawyer qualified in the UK.

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Did the solicitor suggest why he advised you to plead not guilty?

I seems a bit of a conundrum because the police decided the offence was suitable for a fixed penalty, you agreed to accept it (suggesting you did not intend contesting the charge) but the court believed it was not suitable to be dealt with under the SJ procedure. After that, your solicitor advised you to contest the charge nonetheless.

What did you say in your mitigation? I have a suspicion the SJ did not accept your guilty plea because your mitigation suggested you believed you were not guilty.

Far from being a waste of time and resources,  if you have pleaded not guilty (or the court has refused to accept your guilty plea) the only way to resolve this is either for you to convince the court that you plead guilty unequivocally or by way of a trial.


Why do you believe it is not in the public interest to prosecute you? Are you suggesting that because it will take a bit of time and bother to resolve, it should not be pursued?


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Good morning

Please find part of the
discussion I had with my Solicitor, cut and pasted below


‘This isn’t how these cases work. You have not yet entered a guilty plea because the court has not accepted your guilty plea. The next hearing would be dealt with via letter confirming a not guilty plea (neither you nor I would attend)

Morning, the hearing on the 19th is because the court has decided your case is not suitable for the Single Justice Procedure (I’m not sure why they have done this). On the 19th we have the option to plead guilty or not guilty (without attending - even though the summons says you should attend). On the 19th the case will either be listed for trial or it will be adjourned for a case management hearing. We would deal with the case management hearing via letter.
Between the 19th and the trial date I would be working to persuade the prosecution to drop the case on public interest grounds.

If we haven’t managed to get them to drop the case by the trial date then we would attend the trial and argue that the offence is not made out.

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You had previously received a conditional offer of a fixed penalty for this. Who is telling you that the court may view this offence as worthy of 6 points or more?

You haven't told us much that is comprehensible about the incident that led the Police to pull you over in the first place. But in your view, or from what the officer said to you at the time, is there anything in his statement that would elevate the offence to a category one or two offence.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Careless-Driving.pdf
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Clearly, your solicitor has seen more of the case than we have. They seem to think there is a chance that they could argue that the offence is not made out. I have no idea on what basis but you might want to ask what the prospects of success are.
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Thanks, that attachment was v helpful
Has anyone written to the CPS in the past? Any advise on how to go about?

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Why isn’t your solicitor doing it?
I am not qualified to give legal advice in the UK. While I will do my best to help you, you should not rely on my advice as if it was given by a lawyer qualified in the UK.
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Re: Worth writing to the CPS?
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Thought I could do that bit myself, with help from this forum
It’s already costing me an arm and a leg and it’s Xmas too
Attending court would cost me around 2 grand

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The trouble is that your solicitor appears to be in possession of the full facts and we are not. Why do you think this prosecution isn’t in the public interest?
I am not qualified to give legal advice in the UK. While I will do my best to help you, you should not rely on my advice as if it was given by a lawyer qualified in the UK.

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Attending court would cost me around 2 grand

If you go on your own attending court will cost you nothing (other than any fines, etc. that will be imposed) and I think you need to take a step back here.

We don't know the details of the offence other than what you've told us. But you were perfectly willing to accept a fixed penalty. It seems there were some administrative difficulties connected with this (which you have not explained) and the way to deal with that when you were prosecuted was to simply plead guilty and ask the court to consider sentencing you at the FP level.

Your guilty plea was not accepted and, again in the absence of any explanation, I assume it was because you submitted mitigation which gave the impression you believed you were not guilty.

I understand your concern about potentially receiving six points and so facing a ban, but nothing you have said suggests the offence would warrant six points. The solicitor you have consulted should have run through the sentencing guidelines which BertB provided with you. In those guidelines are two groups of aggravating factors: 

Group One (Culpability)
Excessive speed or aggressive driving
Carrying out other tasks while driving
Vehicle used for the carriage of heavy goods or for the carriage of passengers for reward
Tiredness or driving whilst unwell
Driving contrary to medical advice (including written advice from the drug manufacturer not to drive when taking any medicine)

Group Two (Harm)
Injury to others
Damage to other vehicles or property
High level of traffic or pedestrians in vicinity

To be a nailed on six points one factor from each group should be present. If you had only one factor from one of the groups the court might not impose six points.

Nothing in your description meets any of those aggravating factors so having seen them, was there anything you have not told us which might aggravate the offence? If no, the likelihood, therefore, of you receiving six points is extremely slim. As well as that, if there was a reason why the FP could not have been taken up he should also have explored that and, if appropriate, suggested you ask the court to sentence you at the FP level.

Instead he has suggested pursuing the “public interest” angle which seems to have no merit other than it will all take too much time and effort to deal with. Then if that fails he suggests “the offence has no been made out”. Presumably he has seen the officer’s statement, which we have not. But from your description, this does not seem too promising:

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I flashed my high beam and tried overtaking it.

So you’re in narrow lanes in poor weather, with an HGV adjacent, and you try to overtake it. That may well be why the officer believed your driving had fallen below he required standard.

Before you consider stumping up £2k to defend the charge, you should find out why your guilty plea was not accepted. If, as I suspect, your mitigation strayed into a defence, that is easily put right. And it won’t cost you two grand.

What exactly did you say in mitigation when you responded o the SJPN?
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Thanks, that was helpful
Actually, the officer’s report is just like 5-6 lines, nothing spectacular

Actually, you have more or less described it tbh
- ‘So you’re in narrow lanes in poor weather, with an HGV adjacent, and you try to overtake it. That may well be why the officer believed your driving had fallen below he required standard’

This more or less sums it up. I am claustrophobic and the huge lorry on one side and the barriers on the other side didn't help.
Plus the constant spray on my windscreen, from the lorry’s wheels,nearly blinded me.


Strangely, the officer who stopped me, claimed I was rubbing my head with my hand. Which he thought was a sign of fatigue or? Being drunk
(not written in his report) I don't drink or take drugs, except tea

Mitigation, I agree in hindsight,  was an unmitigated disaster.
I said sorry, apologised, pleaded guilty and then wrote the exact scenario I was in, along with some quotes from the highway code. About driving in bad weather and poor visibility. So that’s the most likely cause of the sjp rejection.

Going forwards, what is done is done. Can’t change it, sorry
The not guilty plea has been accepted and have been given a date in Feb 2025. The Solicitor had quotes 2 grand for all of this, including potential 1-2 hearings

My one hope is to write to the CPS, asking them to drop the case. As there’s no public interest in prosecuting me. It reached this stage due to a series of unfortunate events and if you actually quote the highway code and RTA sect 3 then I do have a leg to stand on.
Besides, I got the historical weather forecasts for that day. Which would back me up.

Lastly, I feel the officer was slightly exaggerating. By claiming it led to congestion,when it was
midnight, traffic was thin and the roadworks didn't help.
Tried to obtain the dash cam footage, through an SAR but the response
waa that none exists.
So how does the officer or I put forward the case? I presume he too would be needed in court?
Isn't it all a waste of time and resources

David
 

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I said sorry, apologised, pleaded guilty and then wrote the exact scenario I was in, along with some quotes from the highway code. About driving in bad weather and poor visibility. So that’s the most likely cause of the sjp rejection.

My one hope is to write to the CPS, asking them to drop the case. As there’s no public interest in prosecuting me. It reached this stage due to a series of unfortunate events and if you actually quote the highway code and RTA sect 3 then I do have a leg to stand on.
Besides, I got the historical weather forecasts for that day. Which would back me up.

I'm intrigued. What quotes from the Highway Code do you believe help your case?