Author Topic: Section 172 Charge – NIP Sent to Old Address, Only Just Aware of Court Proceedings  (Read 803 times)

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Hi all,


I’ve received a court notice (Single Justice Procedure Notice) for failing to provide driver information under Section 172. The original NIP was sent to my old address as I hadn’t updated my V5C logbook after moving — I wasn’t aware that this needed to be done separately from updating my driving licence.


I was allegedly caught doing 71 in a 60 zone in December 2024. I only hit my 2-year licence mark in January 2025, so if I end up with 6 points for the Section 172 and 3 for the speeding offence, my licence could be revoked under the New Driver rules.


I only just became aware of the offence because the SJPN arrived at my current address (the one on my driving licence). I never received the original NIP or reminders.


I'm happy to pay the fines, but I'm very concerned about the licence revocation risk.


Questions:


1) Is it still possible to submit a statutory declaration to have the case re-opened, since I was unaware of the proceedings?


2) If I explain the situation (V5C not updated) to the court, is there any realistic chance of avoiding the 6 points for failure to respond?


3) Can I still be offered a speed awareness course for the original speeding offence, or is it too late for that now?


Any help is greatly appreciated, this is the first time I've had any sort of fine like this and it's all quite confusing to me. I hope I haven't **** up the formatting either!

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1. No. You have not been convicted of anything. A Stat Dec is only used when you have been convicted via proceedings of which you were not aware.

2. See below.

3. No. The court has no power to order a course.

Check your SJPN to see if you have been charged with both FtP driver's details and speeding.

If you have, the way to deal with this is to respond to the SJPN by pleading not guilty to both offences. In the "reasons for pleading not guilty" section say you did not receive the original notice (no need to elaborate). Go on to say you are willing to plead guilty to the speeding offence on the condition that the "failure to provide driver's details" charge is dropped. This is a common procedure which is well known to all court users (magistrates, their legal advisors and lawyers).

Before the pandemic it was necessary to attend court to negotiate this "deal". When the pandemic hit courts were obviously keen to avoid as many personal attendances as possible and arrangements were made for this deal to be accepted without a court attendance. Many courts have continued with this process so if you make your intentions clear in response to the SJPN you may be saved a trip.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2025, 07:58:44 pm by NewJudge »

Well done for finding the cunningly hidden sticky. Might have been helpful to have read it as well, though.

Stat decs are for when you have been convicted without being aware of the court proceedings - basically not receiving the SJPN that you have received.

So, #1 - No

#2. There is a statutory defence to the s. 172 charge if you can show that it was not reasonably practicable to provide the information. However, case law (Whiteside) provides that not receiving the NIP (s. 172 requirement) does not in and of itself make out this defence - the court would need to decide whether it was reasonably practicable to ensure that such notices were brought to your attention - such as by updating the address on your V5C. So, explaining that you didn't receive the NIP isn't going to help.

As regards avoiding the 6 points, and the separate unasked question regarding avoiding revocation, that would tend to depend on details that you have so far chosen not to trouble us with. Much of this is explained in the "READ THIS FIRST" sticky above the sticky you linked to - which it seems reasonable to assume you found but also didn't read.

You have told us that you have received an SJPN for the s. 172 offence. You also mention some misconceived concern about also receiving 3 points for the speeding offence. If you have also been charged with the speeding offence, it should be possible to do a deal with the prosecution to drop the s. 172 in exchange for pleading guilty to the speeding charge. If not, then there is no speeding charge to offer to plead guilty to (unless you are Harriet Harperson).

As regards the Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act 1995 - the revocation is triggered by winning points for an offence committed within the 2 year probationary period, which takes your tally of relevant points to 6 or more. For the s. 172 offence, the date of the speeding offence is irrelevant. The s. 172 offence is committed 27 days after 2 working days after the NIP was posted - so typically slightly more than a month after the speeding offence. Was this within your probationary period?

#3. Hell, no.
I am responsible for the accuracy of the information I post, not your ability to comprehend it.

I'm not sure how to reply to someone, so I'm doing it on one message. Thank you NewJudge and andy_foster for replying so quickly, I appreciate the insight.


NewJudge:
Charge 1 of 2 is stated as "Fail to give information relating to the identification of the driver / rider of a vehicle when required"
Charge 2 of 2 is the speeding ticket: "Exceed a variable speed limit - automatic camera device"
So Yes, I have been charged with FtP Driver's Details + Speeding.  Thank you for the clear and concise response. This seems to make sense, I'm going to do a bit more reading but will most likely follow your advice to a T.

andy_foster:
Sorry for missing that info. I am admittedly a bit stressed and all the legal jargon is new to me, and difficult for me to digest. Thanks for your patience.