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Dear All

Hope all is well.

My younger brother received this recently. I can see another post with the exact location and speed. My brother advises that he was not sure if he was overtaking and got caught at 79mph.

It was a hired car as his was broken. Any help guidance would be much appreciated.
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Your brother needs to reply naming himself as driver, or he will be guilty of a much more serious offence.

If it was 79 in a 70 limit, he will be offered an awareness course (if he is eligible) or a fixed penalty - £100 and three points. Unless he has a good defence, he would be well advised to accept one of them.
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@H-M3 unfortunately there isn't much to be done aside from returning the form to the police naming the driver and awaiting the outcome.

Does your brother accept that he was doing 79 mph, or is he saying the speed reading from the camera is wrong?
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Quote from: cp8759 on August 11, 2024, 01:58:23 pm
@H-M3 unfortunately there isn't much to be done aside from returning the form to the police naming the driver and awaiting the outcome.

Does your brother accept that he was doing 79 mph, or is he saying the speed reading from the camera is wrong?
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How would one challenge the speed camera and has anyone from your wisdom ever succeeded. Do they not show video footage of the actual speed?
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Also, what is the rule on overtaking on MW, is there any grace?
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Broadly speaking, we offer advice on the law applied to the facts provided. We will not suggest "facts" that if adopted and somehow proven might constitute a defence.

There is a myth that there is an allowance for overtaking on a single carriageway to reduce the time exposed to danger (the amount of time on the "wrong" side of the road). If you are on the wrong side of the road when overtaking on a conventional motorway, speeding is the least of your worries.
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Quote from: H-M3 on August 11, 2024, 02:14:20 pm
Also, what is the rule on overtaking on MW, is there any grace?
None. The speed limit applies in all circumstances.
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Sorry all, being a numpty, how do you verify the speed with still images? Sorry never dealt with these things so apologise beforehand if this is a silly question.
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Depends on what the images show.
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Quote from: andy_foster on August 12, 2024, 11:22:05 pm
Depends on what the images show.
Not sure if my original link works as that has all the links to the stills.
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Quote from: H-M3 on August 13, 2024, 12:16:36 am
Quote from: andy_foster on August 12, 2024, 11:22:05 pm
Depends on what the images show.
Not sure if my original link works as that has all the links to the stills.
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Frankly, that isn't the issue right now. I notice that the letter is dated 18 July. A response is required within 28 days which is just a couple of days' time - read the bit in bold just under where it says Request for Driver Information. Your brother needs to reply right now. Doesn't matter if the evidence doesn't stack up (which is unlikely), as not responding will result in a much worse penalty.
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Quote from: H-M3 on August 13, 2024, 12:16:36 am
Quote from: andy_foster on August 12, 2024, 11:22:05 pm
Depends on what the images show.
Not sure if my original link works as that has all the links to the stills.
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No one but you should be using the logon sent to you from the police to view the images. However if the camera is a HADECS3 (as it is the M6), it won't be possible to calculate the speed from the images.
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