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SJPN - 2 offences "laid in the alternative"
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I've just received an SJPN in the post today for a speeding offence that took place in September 2025. I was going 61mph in a temporary 50mph zone on the M4.

They end of September they sent a NIP to my old address with a further reminder letter in October to that same address. And now, 6 months from the date of offence I've received a SJPN with 2 offences: speeding and failure to provide drivers details (s172)

I've read through the paperwork they've sent me and there's a section that states: "If your summons contains 2 offences, they are 'laid in the alternative'. This means that if you choose to plead guilty to one offence and not guilty to the other the magistrates will only adjudicate on the offence to which you have pleaded guilty and the offence you pleaded not guilty will be withdrawn.

Where there are 2 offences in the summons, and you choose to plead not guilty to both the case will be adjourned at the first hearing. You will then be notified of a trial date. You will have to attend the trial to give evidence in person."



I was unaware that I had to update my V5C and the address has stayed the same on there since I bought the car and had assumed that if I update the address on my drivers licence when I move house (which I have done twice since then and kept updated), it automatically updates DVLA too. I only realised I have to update my V5C in November 2025 and I did it right then. Now my V5C has the correct address but it didn't at the date of the offence. I do want to take responsibility for both of these offences, however to avoid getting 9 points (!!!) I'd like to take on the "laid in the alternative' deal they've mentioned. I've read through multiple other questions on here with the same situation and people haven't mentioned about this. I wasn't sure if they've just missed it or it's a new thing on my paperwork?

I do appreciate that it is my fault for not updating my V5C, and so I'm concerned that if I choose not guilty for this offence in my response, once they read my explanation, they won't withdraw it and I'll end up with 9 points (on top my existing 3 points, I'd have 12 in total and basically lose my licence for 6 months). I don't want to do the wrong thing here and get myself in more of a pickle. I really don't want to drag this on and go to court either.

Is it the case that the offence I put not guilty just gets automatically withdrawn because I've admitted to the other, even though technically I am guilty of both? Is it likely/common practice for them to drop the s172 in these cases? what would be the best action here?

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You are indeed technically guilty of both (provided you agree you were speeding), though a speeding prosecution would not succeed without you pleading guilty as the police have no evidence that you were driving. However…

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Is it the case that the offence I put not guilty just gets automatically withdrawn because I've admitted to the other, even though technically I am guilty of both?

Yes, that’s exactly what they’ve told you.

It is, in fact a very convenient way of dealing with someone in your position. Not many courts do this. It is usually necessary to plead not guilty to both charges, attend court and do a deal with the prosecutor to drop the “Fail to Provide” (FtP) charge in return for a guilty plea to speeding.

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…what would be the best action here?

Return the SJPN pleading guilty to speeding and not guilty to FtP.
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Thankyou!! I really appreciate the rapid response!

I guess I'm just worried they're going to redact what they've said after I basically own up in my explanation and tell them "I haven't updated my V5C because I didn't know I had to" and charge me for both. Should I even provide an explanation?


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I guess I'm just worried they're going to redact what they've said after I basically own up in my explanation and tell them "I haven't updated my V5C because I didn't know I had to...

Their agreement (to discontinue one charge if you plead guilty to the other) is not conditional on anything. Failure to update the V5C is one of the most common reasons that drivers find themselves in your position. When the usual strategy is employed (pleading not guilty to both charges and doing the “deal” I mentioned) it is rarely, if ever, declined by prosecutors. The court dealing with your case has simply made it easier for you. The court (or the prosecutor) would be very hard pushed to retract their offer as it essentially encourages you to plead guilty to speeding – a charge which would otherwise not stick without your guilty plea.

In any case, you have no need to provide any explanation. If you want to provide one simply say your pleas are entered on the understanding that the charges are being laid “in the alternative.”
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