Author Topic: SJP notice but no NIP  (Read 553 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Cliono

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
SJP notice but no NIP
« on: October 15, 2024, 09:59:40 pm »
Help!
Received a Single Justice Procedure notice in post for a speeding offence back in April (35 in a 30 zone). Looking at the dates, it's a day my husband had the car and he's not disputing it was him (but can't remember noticing the speed camera going off).

However this letter is a complete surprise as we never received the Notice of Intended Prosecution,so couldn't respond.

I want to respond not guilty to either offence but am just very concerned about having to go to court to dispute this.

Is it worth contacting the Police?

Thanks in advance for any help

Share on Facebook Share on Twitter


andy_foster

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 688
  • Karma: +12/-7
  • Location: Reading
    • View Profile
Re: SJP notice but no NIP
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2024, 10:13:03 pm »
Are you the registered keeper?
If so, is the address on the V5C correct and current?
I am responsible for the accuracy of the information I post, not your ability to comprehend it.

Cliono

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: SJP notice but no NIP
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2024, 10:38:07 pm »
Hi Andy
Thanks for answering.
Yes I am the registered keeper. Don't have the V5 to hand (will check) but possibly registered to old address as we moved last year. Just confused as SJP obviously sent to correct address.

Cliono

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: SJP notice but no NIP
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2024, 10:41:10 pm »
Ah. Checked V5 and I hadn't updated the address.

NewJudge

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 369
  • Karma: +15/-0
    • View Profile
Re: SJP notice but no NIP
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2024, 10:48:53 pm »
Assuming you have been charged with "failing to provide driver's details" as well as speeding then you have a bit of a problem.

The normal way to deal with this is for he registered keeper to plead not guilty to both offences but offer to plead guilty to speeding on the understanding that the "fail to provide" charge will be dropped. You cannot do that because you were not driving.

Cliono

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: SJP notice but no NIP
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2024, 10:54:51 pm »
Yes failure to provide details as well as the speeding charge

Cliono

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: SJP notice but no NIP
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2024, 09:46:06 am »
Am I right to think my best response is to plead guilty to S172 but state reasons for not responding, then not guilty to the speeding? I really don't want to go to court

NewJudge

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 369
  • Karma: +15/-0
    • View Profile
Re: SJP notice but no NIP
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2024, 12:04:07 pm »
The speeding charge cannot succeed as the police have no evidence to show who was driving (and you were not anyway). That comes from your response to the "request for driver's details" which you didn't respond to because you didn't receive it. That charge will therefore be discontinued following your not guilty plea.

Pleading guilty to the "Fail to Provide" charge will see you face a hefty fine (a week's net income), a surcharge of 40% of the fine and costs of around £90. But the biggest impact of all will be your increased insurance premiums. You will have an endorsement code (MS90) which gives insurers a fit of the vapours and you can expect increased premiums for up to five years, with a doubling in the first year being not unheard of.

But I don't see that you have any practical alternative.

Cliono

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: SJP notice but no NIP
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2024, 01:26:34 pm »
Thanks very much for your advice

Cliono

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: SJP notice but no NIP
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2024, 02:45:01 pm »
As an update, I responded online, admitting guilt to the failure to name the driver. I noted that I'd failed to update the V5 after moving and post redirection had run out.
This morning I've received a notice of the court case result, stating both offence orders have been withdrawn.

Am I correct in thinking there will be no further action, or does this mean it won't go to court but they will charge separately?

On the phone to the court helpline but 60 minute wait!

andy_foster

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 688
  • Karma: +12/-7
  • Location: Reading
    • View Profile
Re: SJP notice but no NIP
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2024, 04:57:09 pm »
This morning I've received a notice of the court case result, stating both offence orders have been withdrawn.

WTF is an "offence order" when it's at home?

I am responsible for the accuracy of the information I post, not your ability to comprehend it.