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Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
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I have been advised by a solicitor friend with knowledge of this that the OP should send the following to the Merseyrail prosecutor:

Your solicitor friend should know that the defendant can ask for whatever he likes but, before entering his plea, he has no right to anything other than the “Initial Details of the Prosecution Case” (IDPC). Rule 8.3 sets out what constitutes the IDPC and it is for the prosecution to determine what material to include:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/759/rule/8.3

You will note particularly, para (b)(iii):

…any written witness statement or exhibit that the prosecutor then has available and considers material to plea, … [my emphasis]

If he wants anything else which has not been provided by then, I believe he must make that known at his first hearing.

As far as the second part of her recommended letter goes, I would not include that at all. It is effectively giving notice to the prosecution (at least as far as point (1) is concerned) of a deficiency in their case. I’d be more inclined to simply let them present that deficient case and then ask the court to rule on it.

Of course raising it now may persuade them to discontinue when they realise their error. But it may possibly spur them to address that deficiency (though quite how they might do that is a bit hard to fathom).

As well as this, I’m not too sure whether it is necessary to raise the issue of “ownership” at all. The charge sheet clearly states the charge is under Bylaw 14(2). This can only be laid against the “person in charge of the vehicle”. Merseyrail simply don’t know who that was.

A criminal charge against the “owner” can only be laid under Bylaw 14(4) and I’m not so sure it can in any event. 14(4)(i) simply states that  “The owner of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of Byelaw 14.1 to 14.3 may be liable to pay a penalty as displayed in that area.”

Whilst Bylaw 24.1 says that "Any person who breaches any of these Byelaws commits an offence and...may be liable for each such offence... I think 14.4 must be an exception. 

Bylaws 14.1 to 14.3 all place liability for compliance with the person in charge of the vehicle. To add a fourth section which simply transfers that liability to the owner may be all well and good as far as civil parking matters go (I wouldn't know for sure). But there is a considerable difference between charging a person with a criminal offence for which they have not been responsible by virtue of an act or omission, and raising a penalty charge against that same person.

In short, I believe they can only raise a criminal charge under 14(2) and that must be against the person in charge of the vehicle. They don’t know who that was and have no powers to force anybody to tell them. I believe if this went to trial it would fall at half time.

There is only one thing which concerns me. These bylaws are not unique to Merseyrail and are in fact published as a common document entitled "Railway Bylaws". So they are obviously used by all train operators. With that in mind, if my summary of the situation is correct, surely by now somebody would have realised that criminal charges where the statement of facts mentions "rightful owner", "registered owner" and suggesting details of those have been obtained from the DVLA (who don't hold them) are unlikely to succeed.

So have I go it right?
« Last Edit: December 22, 2024, 01:46:30 pm by NewJudge »

Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
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My only experience of these Penalty Notices are through those that are issued by either APCOA or SABA, both unregulated private parking companies, not authorities oin any way. In those cases, I believe that the PN issued is nothing of the sort. It is merely an “offered contract” (civil) that fraudulently uses unlawful language threatening criminal prosecution in an attempt to extort money from the recipients who are more likely to simply pay at the discounted rate out of ignorance.

For many years, these two private companies, with the cooperation and encouragement of the BPA and POPLA have issued hundreds of thousands of these fake PNs and I have never seen one prosecuted in the magistrates court. Many do go to POPLA for secondary appeal and as long as the recipient does not reveal the identity of the driver and quotes PoFA 3(1), POPLA will uphold the appeal. Not that they have any right to adjudicate on a PN issued as a criminal matter. However, in the vast majority of these cases, that will only happen when the appellant has received advice here or over on MSE forums.

Until now, the advice given to recipients of these fake PNs were told to string  it out through the POPLA appeals process and they would “time out” after the 6 month statute of limitations. I do not believe this to be the case as the PN is not real and neither of the two unregulated private companies would dare try an actual prosecution in their own name as they are not authorities and the PNs do not state the name of the actual authority (TOC/TfL/Network Rail etc.) in whose name the PN has been issued or that they are authorised to issue them.

In several recent POPLA appeal cases, we put APCOA to strict proof that they had a valid contract with the relevant authority to issue PNs in APCOAs own name. As is usual with POPLA, they would accept a signed statement that a valid contract existed rather than require them to produce the actual contract. However, in a couple of cases, the contract was revealed and in both of those cases, APCOA had no authority to issue PNs, only PCNs under civil contract law.

I now advise anyone receiving these fake PNs from unregulated private parking companies to simply ignore all correspondence from them and the debt collectors. Neither APCOA nor SABA can prosecute an “offered contract” in the magistrates court nor in the civil court. It is simply a very profitable scam for them to make money from the gullible recipients of the fake PNs.

This is the first time I have dealt with an actual PN issued under railway Byelaws and has educated me to the prosecution process under the SJP. For this reason, this thread was moved from the Private Parking forum to here.

It has always been a bone of contention over on the private parking forums the use of the word “owner” in the Byelaws. As noted, there is no defined term for “owner” when dealing with these cases under civil contract law. In PoFA there is only the Keeper/Hirer or the Driver. The unregulated private parking companies abuse the civil process by arguing that as their notice is a PN issued under those railway Byelaws, they are allowed to sue the Keeper as the “Owner”. They can’t, because the PN is nothing of the sort except a fraudulent use of language that would never be allowed in a PCN which is nothing but an invoice issued under civil contract law. An “offered contract” cannot be sued over because there is no legal obligation on anyone to accept an “offered contract” in the first place.

I would hope that @adamh02 would challenge this real PN because Merseyrail does seem to be abusing the process by threatening a criminal prosecution for an alleged minor parking contravention. Merseyrail and possibly a few other TOCs do abuse the Byelaws by using 24(1) which is very intimidating to recipients of a real PN, never mind fake ones from UPPCs.

Being the argumentative person that I am, I’m tempted to go to the location and get issued a PN by Merseyrail as I am local to the area, just so as I can go through the process and challenge it based on the arguments already discussed.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2024, 03:09:47 pm by b789 »
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Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
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I think you misunderstand the situation.

These are not civil proceedings and Merseyrail has not threatened to prosecute him, they already have done so. Adam02's understanding is also somewhat flawed:

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...and will be taken to a magistrates if I don’t plead guilty.

His case already rests with the Magistrates. The Single Justice procedure is part of the Magistrates' Court.

As well as that, for the reasons I've stated, I don't think the term "owner" comes into play at all. The Bylaw he has been charged under can only be laid against the "person in charge of the vehicle" and Merseyrail have no idea who that was.
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Re: Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket
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Thank you for the clarification. I fully understand that these are not civil proceedings, where my limited expertise lies.
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