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Single Justice Procedure for Railway Parking Fine
« on: January 03, 2025, 06:12:01 pm »
Hello,

My husband and I parked using a relatives car in a train station car park. I tried to pay for parking, but there was no way to pay on site, you had to download an app instead (RingGo). The app would simply not let me pay or even make an account, because it is done by phone number. I tried to create a new account to pay, and it sent me a text message saying that I already had one with this phone number. It let me request a passcode to log in. I used the passcode, and it told me that there was no account with that number, and to create a new account. I tried to create a new account, and it sent me another text telling me that I already had an account. I was stuck in this loop for ages. I tried for 30 minutes to pay but ultimately gave up.

There was a windscreen notice on the car when we came back. I did my best to research how these typically go and found out that this was APCOA and would time out after 6 months. You try to appeal but never say who the driver is, etc. My relative then recieved a few menacing letters about how it was a criminal offense etc. Unfortunately I missed the date to appeal, but I had read online that these time out after 6 months and that they never try to pursue criminal action.

Well apparently they are pursing criminal action as my relative has now recieved a single justice procedure notice. How should we respond to this? Obviously we were the ones driving, not my relative. Do we need a lawyer?

Truly insane! I guess they really enjoy ruining people's lives so that they can make more money. If I explain what happened to a court would they see the railway company as the big bully that they are? Or should the onus be on proving that it was my relative driving, which wasn't the case??

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Re: Single Justice Procedure for Railway Parking Fine
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2025, 06:39:02 pm »
It would certainly be the first case we've seen where an APCOA case has actually been prosecuted.

It might be helpful to see the original PCN, and also a redacted version of the SJPN, so we know what exactly your relative is being charged with.
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Re: Single Justice Procedure for Railway Parking Fine
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2025, 07:02:06 pm »
The offense is "failure to pay appropriate charge."

I am not sure if it is best to go along the lines of explaining that it was actually us parking and that we were not able to pay due to their useless app, or if it is best for her to just say it wasn't her driving.

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Re: Single Justice Procedure for Railway Parking Fine
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2025, 07:04:25 pm »
The charge is:

"Whilst in charge of a motor vehicle, registration number XXX was parked on a part of the railway where charges were made for parking by an operator or authorised person and failed to pay the appropriate charge at the appropriate time in accordance with instructions given by the perator or an authorised person at that place. Contrary to byelaw 14(3) and 24 of the Railway Byelaws made under Section 219 of the Transport Act 2000 by the Strategic Railway Authority and confirmed under schedule 20 of the Transport Act 2000, as amneded by Section 46 of the Railways Act 2005."

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Re: Single Justice Procedure for Railway Parking Fine
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2025, 09:06:07 pm »
There was a case on here just before Christmas concerning a criminal prosecution under Railway Bylaws:

https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/sjp-for-private-parking-ticket/

This led to a broader discussion in the “Flame Pit”:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/can-a-private-company-initiate-a-criminal-prosecution-under-the-sjp/

hey are lengthy reads but both raised some interesting points, in particular the railway company’s predilection for conflating the civil and criminal enforcement procedures and seemingly wanting the best of both worlds.

I don’t know too much about civil parking procedures but I do know a little about the criminal process. Prosecutions under Bylaw 14.3 can only be taken against the “person in charge of the vehicle.” In civil proceedings I believe (though I'm not sure) that the Registered Keeper is assumed to be the owner (unless the contrary can be proved) and the owner is assumed to be the driver or person in charge of the vehicle (ditto).

But I do not believe a criminal court would be entitled to make these assumptions, which would leave the prosecutors to find out (in this case) who the person in charge of the vehicle was. Unless anybody is kind enough to tell them, I think they may have some difficulty with that and for that reason I believe a criminal prosecution is unlikely to succeed.

Did your relative receive a “statemen of facts” along with the SJPN?

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2025, 09:31:27 pm »
Hi, thank you for your response! I have read through those - my partner says I have spent probably too much time reading about this situation aha!  There is a charge sheet, a witness statement from the person who put the windscreen ticket there, a statement from the "investigator" of Northern Trains, and exhibits of photos of the car in the car park. There is also a HM Courts and Tribunal Service MC100 printout.

I do agree that they will have difficulty proving who the driver was. In this case, the driver was not the keeper of the car, so any video evidence they have will clearly show that. I have seen that other rail companies have been successful in their SJPs before, but I am not sure what will happen in this case as the owner was not in charge of the car at all in this instance.

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2025, 10:14:33 pm »
Prosecutions under Bylaw 14.3 can only be taken against the “person in charge of the vehicle.” In civil proceedings I believe (though I'm not sure) that the Registered Keeper is assumed to be the owner (unless the contrary can be proved) and the owner is assumed to be the driver or person in charge of the vehicle (ditto).

But I do not believe a criminal court would be entitled to make these assumptions, which would leave the prosecutors to find out (in this case) who the person in charge of the vehicle was.

In neither the civil or criminal courts is there any assumption that the registered keeper is the driver, absent a statutory presumption to that effect. What courts in both jurisdictions can do is find as a fact that the registered keeper was the driver, and I believe that some private parking companies used to invite county courts to do just that.

Of course, such a finding of fact can only be made based on evidence, and to the requisite standard of proof (balance of probabilities/beyond reasonable doubt). If a court finds that a defendant is the registered keeper and the defendant does not give evidence that they were not driving, a court could (not must) find that they were the driver - more easy in a civil case than a criminal one. An appeal court might decide that such a finding was perverse, who knows.

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Re: Single Justice Procedure for Railway Parking Fine
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2025, 01:01:33 am »
Thank you! I am going to advise my relative to tick not guilty and then provide proof in the court of where they were that day (not with the car). I am hopeful that this is enough. Will they then start pursuing further or is that it? I am so shocked that a court even thinks this is worth pursuing. At any point should it be pointed out that their dumb app doesn't work? The trouble is, we all know if I had appealed by saying that the app didn't work, the train company would just pretend that it was working fine, be happy they had my information, and then pursue us instead. It's an unwinnable situation. We had a very important appointment that we needed to go to this day and this car park had been completely free my entire life!

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Re: Single Justice Procedure for Railway Parking Fine
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2025, 01:37:52 pm »
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In this case, the driver was not the keeper of the car, so any video evidence they have will clearly show that.

Only if they know what the keeper looks like - and I would wager that they don't.

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In neither the civil or criminal courts is there any assumption that the registered keeper is the driver, absent a statutory presumption to that effect
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Yes thanks for that, sp.

I’m afraid I rather confused the issue somewhat (not unusual for me!)  I was really looking back to the earlier question on this topic and the conflation between the private parking appeals process and the criminal prosecution procedure (which this OP’s relative is subject to).

As I understand it, the parking companies take advantage of the Protection of Freedoms Act to transfer liability for parking charges from the driver to the keeper (provided they comply with all the conditions). The "keeper" means the person by whom the vehicle is kept at the time the vehicle was parked and this is presumed  to be the registered keeper. unless the contrary is proved. An adjudicator hearing an appeal against the allegation would be bound by these same principles.

Moving to the criminal procedure for a prosecution under the railway bylaws, the charge faced by the OP’s relative under bylaw 14.3 can only be made against “the person in charge of the vehicle.” For a parking allegation this would normally be the person who parked it – i.e. the driver.

Looking back at the earlier case, there was no mention in the “statement of facts” of any evidence to show who the person in charge of the vehicle was. All that was stated was the prosecutor had found out who the Registered Keeper was (someone they referred to as both the “Rightful Owner” and the “Registered Owner”) and they prosecuted him on the basis of what can only be classed as an (un)educated guess.

I believe that the earlier prosecution was deficient in that the prosecutor had no proof to show who had actually committed the offence. I suspect that this is because the people dealing with these matters (via the civil procedures) are used to not having to bother with such trifles and instead rely on keeper liability.

Moving to this case, I suspect exactly the same thing has happened. There is almost certainly no evidence to show who parked the car (though I have asked the OP whether there was a “statement of facts” provided). If there was they would not have prosecuted the registered keeper as he wasn’t there at the time. In this case the only person the TOC could identify was the registered keeper and, being a criminal allegation, the prosecution should not be able to rely on the same presumption permitted under the POFA. Even though the defendant could probably prove he was not responsible for the offence, it should not be incumbent on him to do so as it is the job of the prosecution to prove who committed a criminal offence.

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I am going to advise my relative to tick not guilty and then provide proof in the court of where they were that day (not with the car). I am hopeful that this is enough. Will they then start pursuing further or is that it? I am so shocked that a court even thinks this is worth pursuing.

When he does that there will probably be a box headed “I am pleading no guilty because…”

He should simply state there that “I was not the person in charge of the vehicle at the time it was parked.”

One of two things will then happen. Either somebody will see that the prosecution is deficient and it will be discontinued or it will be listed for a hearing in the normal Magistrates’ Court.

Before you advise him to do that, could you find out if there was a “statement of facts” provided with the SJPN and if so, what it said. Also, see what any others on here have to say, particularly southpaw82, who has almost certainly forgotten more about these things than I will ever know.

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Re: Single Justice Procedure for Railway Parking Fine
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2025, 03:53:23 pm »
I note there was previously mention of APCOA. OP, can you share the original ticket with us (or send it to me via direct message if you prefer) - if APCOA cases are now being prosecuted we may need to change our advice for future cases on the private forum, although I suspect this case may not actually involve APCOA, as Northern generally manage their own car parks.
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Re: Single Justice Procedure for Railway Parking Fine
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2025, 05:32:05 pm »
I am so shocked that a court even thinks this is worth pursuing.

It’s not up to the court. Whether a charge is worth pursuing is up to the prosecutor.

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2025, 06:05:35 pm »
I note there was previously mention of APCOA. OP, can you share the original ticket with us (or send it to me via direct message if you prefer) - if APCOA cases are now being prosecuted we may need to change our advice for future cases on the private forum, although I suspect this case may not actually involve APCOA, as Northern generally manage their own car parks.

It says Northern Rail on the ticket, not APCOA. When this happened, I went to the Money Saving Expert master post on parking fines, and the only bit about railway parking mentioned APCOA or Saba. I found out that Northern Rail uses APCOA parking services at all of their car parks, so I (wrongly) assumed that this was an APCOA fine. There is very little online about being ticketed by the actual TOC itself - hopefully this post can help the next person.

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Re: Single Justice Procedure for Railway Parking Fine
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2025, 06:06:03 pm »
I am so shocked that a court even thinks this is worth pursuing.

It’s not up to the court. Whether a charge is worth pursuing is up to the prosecutor.

Do you have much experience with these things?

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2025, 06:08:55 pm »

Before you advise him to do that, could you find out if there was a “statement of facts” provided with the SJPN and if so, what it said.

The statement of facts is below:

"On x date, at x hours, vehicle number XXX was parked in an area where charges are made for parking by the operator without paying the appropriate charge at the appropriate time via the RingGo system, this is in contravention of the appropriate instructions, notices and markings displayed in the car park. A Penalty Parking Notice was therefore issued and placed on the vehicle showing that it had failed to pay the appropriate charge and a penalty was now outstanding, full instructions of where to send payment or dispute the matter are clearly printed on the notice. Payment was not received, therefore enquiries were made to the DVLA as to the rightful keeper. It was verified that the defendant was the registered keeper. Two letters were sent to the defendant requesting the outstanding payment. However to dispute or payment has been received."
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2025, 07:25:40 pm »
I am so shocked that a court even thinks this is worth pursuing.

It’s not up to the court. Whether a charge is worth pursuing is up to the prosecutor.

Do you have much experience with these things?

Some people might say so, yes.