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wantmymoneyback

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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2024, 09:40:55 pm »
I am just saying that the chances oif finding 2 out of less than 200 people who have read this thread, know the junction and agree with me.

Its obviously a money spinning junction and they could not care less for the safety of pedestrians or drivers else they would have amended the signals positionjs

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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2024, 10:12:14 pm »
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Whilst in hindsight you are correct that I should have stopped, my question is would a judge side with me?

Going back a few hundred yards on GSV and turning round, it is as clear as day that you are approaching a major junction. I would think that most drivers would realise that and also suspect the junction was controlled. As a result, they would exercise considerable caution until they found out.

That's how I think a court would see it and so, no, I don't think they would side with you.
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What makes a crossing legal?

Certainly nothing in the circumstances you describe.

There's one other aspect you might like to consider: accepting a fixed penalty will cost you £100. Being convicted following a trial will cost you ten times that.

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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2024, 11:07:58 pm »
As the road goes uphill you can clearly see the traffic lights. Except if traffic is heavy and there's buses and lorries about. As per the google maps example with a bus conveniently in the way. But a lorry in lane 3 or 4 would obstruct the view of the traffic lights. You also failed to see the 2 yellow cameras on the left. Beyond the junction I think 3 goes into 2 for short distance then widens out past the bus stop to 3 again as the road drops down to Hendon Central.

Are the traffic lights visible in the pictures from the cameras? We haven't seen those yet.
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2024, 11:19:14 pm »
Are the traffic lights visible in the pictures from the cameras? We haven't seen those yet.
We have:



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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2024, 09:20:20 am »
Thanks. What makes a crossing legal?

You may only move across the stop line when the lights are on red if personally directed to do so by a police officer in uniform.

Where I live there are a set of traffic lights on a urban dual carriageway with no way around them for the emergency services. It is relativly common to see traffic stopped at the red lights with no intention of moving under any circumstances and behind them is a police, fire or ambulance vehicle with lights etc blaring and no one moves.....until they change to green.

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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2024, 09:45:26 am »

Its obviously a money spinning junction and they could not care less for the safety of pedestrians or drivers else they would have amended the signals positionjs

The junction is designed, installed and maintained by the Highway Authority (e.g. local council). Any fines and fixed penalties go to the Treasury.

How is it money-spinning?

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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2024, 10:05:16 am »
Are the traffic lights visible in the pictures from the cameras? We haven't seen those yet.
We have:


which show clearly no obstruction of the left hand lights on this occasion.

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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2024, 10:07:18 am »
You can’t see the light to the left or the right when sitting at the junction. Only the one across from the junction that is obscured from the lorry.

Anyway only came here for some advice. I shall accept the penalty

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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2024, 10:25:37 am »
What is the alleged time into red on the NIP?

You may get offered a course. It costs around the same but avoids the COFP offer of 3 points and £100. But it does depend on time into the red as to whether it is offered or not.       

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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2024, 10:27:50 am »
Time into red 0.9 seconds. Amber time 2.9 seconds

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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2024, 11:11:45 am »
You can’t see the light to the left or the right when sitting at the junction. Only the one across from the junction that is obscured from the lorry.
But how about when approaching the lights?
There are no vehicles shown in the pictures that would have blocked your view of the left hand light when approaching the junction and this light must have been red or amber when you were getting close to the stop line.

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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2024, 11:26:58 am »
I was sitting there at the line unable to see the lights to my right and left and not blocking the junction. The lorry started to move so i moved forward then saw the light was red and stopped without crossing the junction. i probably sat there for under 5 seconds however missed the full amber and then the red


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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2024, 05:55:06 pm »
Ultimately look at the risk/reward of not accepting their offer, versus accepting.
  • Accepting the course (if offered) costs you £100 or so, a few hours of your time, and no points.
  • Accepting the points and fine costs you the fine, the points for 3 years, and you have however many less points til you tot (or if a new driver, your licence revoked)
  • Rejecting both costs you a huge (£500+, probably closer to a grand), the points for jumping a red, lots of time wasted and stress.

(3) is the most expensive and most risky.


From looking at GSV and the photos, whilst the lights are fairly close to the stop line (3.1m on the RHS), whilst I appreciate you are in a lower vehicle and surrounded by larger vehicles, I expect you could have seen at least one of the lights by moving your head and/or body (and if you could not see any of them, you should not have proceeded). The big thick stop line is a big hint it's traffic light controlled, along with the other lights in the junction to your left.

I regularly use a junction where the light across the junction is out, and the other lights are only 2m from the stop line, and whilst you do need to turn your head, you can see them whilst stopped at the stop line.