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Soadfan1

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Question on merging 2 incidents into 1 offence
« on: November 28, 2024, 10:12:16 pm »
My friend ( genuinely) has committed 3 speeding offences relatively recently, 2 of which are the same camera within 20 minutes of each other all 3 are for doing between 36 and 38 in a 30.

 she then discovered she still  has 3 points on her licence  that doesn't expire until Jan 26 so is terrified of getting a totting up ban.

Obviously she is devastated and having been here before I remember there used to be  talk of going to court  and having some offences merged into one if they were very close to each other.

Is there any  way in which  it could be reduced to 9 points if the 2 incidents so close to each other are counted as 1.

She cannot do a speed awareness course for any of them as one was already done within 3 years.

Please forgive my ignorance if it obviously cant, I cannot remember under which circumstances it was  considered.

Thanks.

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Re: Question on merging 2 incidents into 1 offence
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2024, 10:23:24 pm »
My friend ( genuinely) has committed 3 speeding offences

Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance.

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Is there any  way in which  it could be reduced to 9 points if the 2 incidents so close to each other are counted as 1.

That would tend to depend largely on the facts of the case(s), which you have so far chosen not to trouble us with.
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Re: Question on merging 2 incidents into 1 offence
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2024, 10:30:52 pm »
My friend ( genuinely) has committed 3 speeding offences

Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance.

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Is there any  way in which  it could be reduced to 9 points if the 2 incidents so close to each other are counted as 1.

That would tend to depend largely on the facts of the case(s), which you have so far chosen not to trouble us with.

What would you need to know? Sorry I dont know everything about it myself just yet but can ask them. They wont go onto websites like this  so I offered to help as I  have been/was on the old  forums.

Thanks.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2024, 10:39:31 pm by Soadfan1 »

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Re: Question on merging 2 incidents into 1 offence
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2024, 10:18:48 am »
There are two possibilities:

The first is that she committed a single continuous offence. That is, she exceed the speed limit once, remained above that limit, and was caught by two cameras during that single transgression. That is obviously not applicable here as it was the same camera.

The second is that she committed two separate offences but they were committed “on the same occasion.” When a driver is convicted in that way, two fines and endorsements are imposed, but only one lot of points (for the most serious).

“On the same occasion” is not defined and it would be for a court to decide the issue if it was claimed. Twenty minutes apart would seem a bit of a stretch to meet that definition. However, since it seems one of the offences will take her to 12 points she will have the matter dealt with in court anyway and it will cost her nothing to make that argument.

Has she taken a speed awareness course in the las three years?
« Last Edit: November 29, 2024, 12:41:27 pm by NewJudge »

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Re: Question on merging 2 incidents into 1 offence
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2024, 11:58:34 am »
Has she taken a speed awareness course in the las three years?

It seems so.

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Re: Question on merging 2 incidents into 1 offence
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2024, 12:40:26 pm »
Thanks, sp. "Senior Moment"   >:(