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Hello good samaritans,

I have recieved an NIP today, please see below:

Front:

Back:


Bit of background:
1. I drive a leased vehicle and my details must have been shared by keeper.
2. I got a previous speeding notice (caught by camera on 30th April, completed speed awarenss course on 8th July, 2024).

It's interesting that this fresh alleged on the same vehicle occured just 1 day BEFORE I completed the speed awareness course. I don't know if this is relevant but thought I should share. I had got a similar letter last time where I filled the form and subsequently logged into ndors.org

I can still access my account on ndors.org, it doens't YET show this new offense. I wasn't aware of this forum when I got the letter last time but thought to post here before doing anything at all this time. Please advise what's my best course of action here.

No taking the course the day before makes no odds.

Thanks

How on earth would this show on NDORS as you’ve not only not taken a course for it but you haven’t even yet been identified as the driver!

I knew that, was just highlighting the obvious that I haven't acted on the letter yet.

You’ll get a conditional offer of a fixed penalty once you confirm you were driving, read the instructions on sending licence details carefully!

So basically, I should simply fill the form and send back like last time?
I suppose not worth challenging this, pay £100 and live with 3 points on my license for now?

Unless you have a good defence (which you haven't mentioned) you will be found guilty, at a cost nearer £1,000.

Many thanks, out of curiosity what can be a good defence? Faulty speed camera/medical emergency?

I suppose even then if would require going to court, so just not worth it, even if that.

Also, is there any grace allowed over 20mph?

Quote from: 8vaibhav on August 11, 2024, 08:57:58 am

Many thanks, out of curiosity what can be a good defence? Faulty speed camera/medical emergency?

I suppose even then if would require going to court, so just not worth it, even if that.

Also, is there any grace allowed over 20mph?

There are lots of possible good defences, but as we don’t make thinks up you can tell us of the scenario.
Technical defences would be a defective Traffic Regulation Order (that sets the limit) or signage (that tells you of that limit).
Most speed cameras are very accurate, I’m not sure what type is fitted on VE.

Yes,as in all limits grace is +10%+2mph so 24 in a 20, you were caught at the lowest detected speed they enforce.

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Grace is 10% + 1 and enforcement from 10% + 2?

Enforcement starts at +10% +2mph, noting that as speed cameras round down, that means no enforcement up to 23.99mph.

Thanks, I will respond to the notice online.

It seems even if there was a compelling reason to appeal (faulty camera for example), the hassle of going to court would rarely be worth it, unless too many points already on licence.

A faulty camera would be an excellent reason to plead NG in court.

The difficulty is demonstrating it it faulty. The defence needs to do that.

But even assuming you somehow have sure shot evidence of camera's faultiness, hassle of court proceedings is severe deterrent I would think. In my case the camera certificate seemed to have very recent dates, so I doubt I can argue it was faulty.

At no time during this thread have you suggested the speed alleged was incorrect. So why are you exploring the idea that the camera may have been faulty? Surely, before you do that, the first question to ask yourself (and answer) is "what speed was I doing?" If you believe you were doing 24mph or thereabouts it would seem to suggest the camera is quite accurate and so the question of its reliability becomes somewhat irrelevant.

You cannot simply "put the prosecution to proof" by asking them to prove your guilt. If you do that, the camera is assumed to be reliable unless it is proved otherwise and that proof will have to come from you. That is considerably more than a "hassle".

Hello all, I see the following in my ndors account activity (after having identified myself as the driver for the said speeding incident). Can someone kindly advise what would be the next steps?
Should I lookout for a letter or an email (neither has come till now) for the £100 fixed penalty + 3 points, or is there another possible outcome here?


Activity Date/Time:
22/08/2024 05:13

Actor:
METROPOLITAN POLICE

Activity:
Police Force METROPOLITAN POLICE undertook an eligibility check for course National Speed Awareness Course with outcome not eligible for course offer (reference number xxxxxxxxxxxxxx).