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Hello all,

I'm an unfortunate recipient of an NIP claiming the vehicle was doing 36 mph in a 30 mph zone.

As I am not sure who was driving and the photographs on the website are low resolution (the writing showing the speed and other details is not legible), I was planning to request photos to identify the driver and higher resolution photos of the incident.

The road is a dual carriageway with a speed limit of 40mph which drops down to 30 mph - the sign is some 200m away from where the photo was taken.  The speed limit sign is right by a parking bay and can be fully or partially obscured by a parked van.  Additionally, if the car is in the inside lane with a lorry or van on the outside lane, the speed sign in the middle of the carriageway could easily be missed.  I have attached a screenshot from google maps illustrating this here https://ibb.co/RWP5H0z.

I would be grateful for any advice as to any additional material I should request before I respond to the NIP and if the signage is an issue.  Are the cameras assumed to be flawless as the FAQ with the notice states they do not have to provide a callibration certificate.

Many thanks in advance!

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Unless and until you are able to name the driver, the other issues are irrelevant - other than that the more you appear to be grasping at straws, the less credible your claim not to be able to determine who was driving sounds.
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Your photo shows the terminal signs on both sides of the road - and then a system of street lighting.
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You can ask for whatever you like. What you get is another matter. If the police have already sent you photographs (which are taken to identify the vehicle, not the driver) you are unlikely to get anything else.

Failure to provide the driver's details will see you prosecuted. If convicted, you face a hefty fine, six points and an insurance crippling endorsement code (MS90) which will see increased premiums for up to five years.

There is a statutory defence to the charge which says you will not be convicted if you can show, to the court's satisfaction, that you did not know and could not with reasonable diligence have ascertained who the driver of the vehicle was.

What efforts have you made so far to find out who was driving?
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And why don't you know who was driving?
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Thanks very much for your prompt replies.

The vehicle is used by several of us which is why we are not sure who was driving at the time.  That is why I was hoping they would have a photograph showing the driver.  If worse comes to worse, I'll have to state that I was driving and take the punishment myself.

Thanks again.
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People can usually work out who was driving, they are just reluctant to put the effort in due to prize that awaits.

How long ago was the offence? What time of day? Local or outside of the area?
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Quote from: BertB on September 19, 2025, 10:21:53 am
People can usually work out who was driving, they are just reluctant to put the effort in due to prize that awaits.

How long ago was the offence? What time of day? Local or outside of the area?

The incident was on 2 September circa 6pm about 15 miles from where I live so outside my local area. 

Thanks very much @BertB
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Quote from: fightinjustice on September 16, 2025, 09:18:28 pm
Thanks very much for your prompt replies.

The vehicle is used by several of us which is why we are not sure who was driving at the time...

Thanks again.

That doesn't really answer the question in any meaningful way.

Why are there several users?  Is it a works van or is it a vehicle that can be accessed by several family members?

If, for example, it's the latter I'd have thought it would be relatively straightforward to work out who was driving at a particular time two weeks ago at a place 15 miles away from home.

For the people with access to the vehicle have you checked mobile phone records?  Have you checked receipts etc?
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