Author Topic: NIP - 25mph in a 20 - Location A3 Kennington Park Road nr Cleaver Sq N/B SE11 (9229)  (Read 185 times)

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fairparking

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Hi All,

New to the forum.

I have been sent a NIP for driving my van at 25 in a 20 MPH, I have some questions regards a potential challenge, apologies if a bit basic!

Also I have been offered a speed awareness course + the cost.

1) The "Speeding 10% plus 2 miles", means the guideline upper limit is 24 mph...is it worth challenging on the basis it may have been rounded up to 25? (more on this coming)

2) As you can see from the photos, another delivery vehile was in the bus lane and obstructing the view for the camera in question.

a) Would this have effected the accuracy of the camera measure? as you can see its obstructing the lines on the road from the camera photos, which I assume it uses?

b) A car behind was speeding at points and tail gatting the van (causing me to speed up at points), is it worth writing in about this once I have the next letter?

Yes I have been offered a speed awareness course + cost...but my point is do any of these circumstances above (or anything ive missed) likely to gain a successful challenge?

p.s. I have filled out the form and returned it stating who the driver was.

many thanks

FP

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I have uploaded 'evidence' photos and paperwork here:
https://imgur.com/9Le9cSI
https://imgur.com/lSMdm2w
https://imgur.com/OkgktL8
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Hi All,

New to the forum.

I have been sent a NIP for driving my van at 25 in a 20 MPH, I have some questions regards a potential challenge, apologies if a bit basic!

Also I have been offered a speed awareness course + the cost.

1) The "Speeding 10% plus 2 miles", means the guideline upper limit is 24 mph...is it worth challenging on the basis it may have been rounded up to 25? (more on this coming)

2) As you can see from the photos, another delivery vehile was in the bus lane and obstructing the view for the camera in question.

a) Would this have effected the accuracy of the camera measure? as you can see its obstructing the lines on the road from the camera photos, which I assume it uses?

b) A car behind was speeding at points and tail gatting the van (causing me to speed up at points), is it worth writing in about this once I have the next letter?

Yes I have been offered a speed awareness course + cost...but my point is do any of these circumstances above (or anything ive missed) likely to gain a successful challenge?

p.s. I have filled out the form and returned it stating who the driver was.

many thanks

FP

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1. 10% plus 2 is the starting point for action, not a "leeway", so even if you'd been recorded at 24 it would not help. Plus AFAIK the recorded speeds are rounded down to the nearest integer, not up.

2.  No photos attached. You need to upload them to a 3rd party site (e.g. imgur.com) and then post a link

2(a) The camera uses laser or radar to measure speed: the lines are a secondary check

2(b) If your being tailgated, the correct action is to slow down, not speed up.

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Thanks pictures now up.

When you say 'correct action' I do understand, however when you driving a brand new van, you tend to not want to be rear ended and that is human nature - thanks

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From the pictures, this tail gating car appears to be at least two vehicle lengths back or more. I think if you were to challenge it on this basis, I would want to see evidence slightly better than a van with empty road behind it. However as has been mentioned, correct advice is to slow down not speed up.

Speeds are rounded down, not up (can you imagine the outcry if prosecution was enabled by rounding up speed?) However, speeding is exceeding the limit which at 24 you are doing. It has happened now, no mileage there other than to admit to speeding.

Lines are secondary check only, speed is measured by the device. However it does look as though you could perform a secondary check from those pictures.

Personally, I think you are wasting your time. You could check the traffic order is correct and that the 20mph limit is adequately conveyed. However since London went 20mph some time ago, I would expect everything to be water tight now. But nothing you have mentioned so far is a defence to the charge.