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Hi there

It appears that the NIP has been issued & received more than 14 days after the contravention.

According to Staffordshire Police portal:
"- offence occurred on 31/12/2024
- Notice sent on 08/01/2025
- New driver nominated on 20/01/2025"

However, the NIP is dated 20/01/2025. I received it today.  This would suggest they are outside of 14 days?  Does this mean the NIP is now unenforceable?

NIP viewable here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IsOPMmYuNunk2mNpPgrPbPVNCrUuI5z1/view?usp=sharing

Thanks in advance for your guidance.

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Re: NIP received after 14 days - Staffordshire A500 N/B BETWEEN THE A519 NEWCASTLE ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE A50 JUNCTION
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Suggests to me that the first NIP was sent to Registered Keeper, they then named you as the driver and so a new notice was issued on the 20th. So who is the RK and what is your relationship to the vehicle in question?

Since only the first notice has a 14 day limit, and there is no suggestion that it was served late on the RK, doesn't appear the allegation of speeding has any chance of being defined due to a failure to serve the notice in time.
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14 days only applies to the first NIP sent to the registered keeper. From your time line this appears to have occured, and is not you, so your NIP is OK from this point of view.
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Quote from: FuzzyDuck on January 23, 2025, 06:46:08 pm
Suggests to me that the first NIP was sent to Registered Keeper, they then named you as the driver and so a new notice was issued on the 20th. So who is the RK and what is your relationship to the vehicle in question?

Since only the first notice has a 14 day limit, and there is no suggestion that it was served late on the RK, doesn't appear the allegation of speeding has any chance of being defined due to a failure to serve the notice in time.


Many thanks for your swift reply.

The RK is the leasing company who have leased the car to my ltd company (I am the company director).  What you have said now makes sense to me.   They would have provided my ltd company details which then triggered the 2nd NIP addressed to my ltd company.

In essence it appears the NIP is correctly.

Now turning to the offence, the location provided by Staffs police is vague and photos provided only show our vehicle without any other part of the road which would help us in identifying the location.  I don't recall the offence occurring.   Nor does my co-director who was part driving throughout the long journey from London to Manchester.   

Are we likely to get anywhere by querying this with Staffs police or do one of us just take the hit and accept the points & fine?

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Location doesn't seem vague to me, between the two points mentioned it is only around 2 miles. It appears that this stretch of the A500 is currently subject to a temporary 50MPH speed limit enforced by average speed cameras. So quoting a 2 mile stretch as the location is quite normal and as expected.

So who was driving at this part of the journey? At the stage all you are being asked to do is confirm the name of the driver.
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Not being familiar with the area, my co director and I couldn't figure out the location.  We were hoping by viewing online, it might trigger our memory.  But we were unable to find the location on the web.   

We're not even sure if we were speeding at the time.  There were so many points during the journey where speed limits varied. 

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Well it's an average speed system, very reliable and not known to produce incorrect speed readings. So someone was speeding at that point of the journey.

The location is just after you leave the M6 at junction 15 and head towards Stoke on the A500, easy to locate on a map.

Here is the starting point as seen on Google Streetview:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/JjduNYeTC9XGFDTW9
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Quote from: samosa on January 23, 2025, 07:32:54 pm
Not being familiar with the area, my co director and I couldn't figure out the location.  We were hoping by viewing online, it might trigger our memory.  But we were unable to find the location on the web. 

There is more than enough info to find the location. It comes up straight away in google maps.

Assuming your route north was M1, A50, M6. Basically it is the A519 stretch between Stoke City's ground and the M6. The large football stadium probably being the memorable part of the location in question.  Who was driving when you got to Manchester? It would have been them. 

Edit: From N/B I'm assuming it was on the way there. Of course it was probably on the way back. But you'll know which from the time of offence.

In which case, it will be the stretch between the M6 and Stoke City's ground. Whoever was driving when you left Manchester, it was them. 
« Last Edit: January 24, 2025, 10:12:47 am by BertB »
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Quote from: BertB on January 24, 2025, 10:10:03 am
Quote from: samosa on January 23, 2025, 07:32:54 pm
Not being familiar with the area, my co director and I couldn't figure out the location.  We were hoping by viewing online, it might trigger our memory.  But we were unable to find the location on the web. 

There is more than enough info to find the location. It comes up straight away in google maps.

Assuming your route north was M1, A50, M6. Basically it is the A519 stretch between Stoke City's ground and the M6. The large football stadium probably being the memorable part of the location in question.  Who was driving when you got to Manchester? It would have been them. 

Edit: From N/B I'm assuming it was on the way there. Of course it was probably on the way back. But you'll know which from the time of offence.

In which case, it will be the stretch between the M6 and Stoke City's ground. Whoever was driving when you left Manchester, it was them.
The NIP location is A500, not A519.
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Yeah, should have wrote A500. However the location description still stands. Unless they changed drivers between A519 and A50, which is unlikely given they were caught by average speed check, it doesn't matter for relevance of identifying the driver. The point is, you can find the location easily enough and is relatively memorable and at an early stage of the journey, so likely to be the same driver that started the journey from MAN to LDN.
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