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I was caught jumping a red light. I was in very slow moving traffic.

I could not see the light at the junction to my right as my and the one across the junction was totally blocked by a lorry as can be seen in the photos.

as soon as the lorry moved and I saw the light was red I stopped and never crossed the junction.

Is it worth me going to court over this matter?

I have 0 points on my license and have been offered to be considered for a fixed penalty.

Thanks For looking and any advice

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Traffic lights usually some in pairs. You seem to be focusing on the one to your right. Are you only telling us half the story in the hopes of making your case sound stronger, or was there no red light to your left to be seen if you had looked?
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No camera to the left. Will post google link when home
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Were you aware that you were approaching a set of traffic lights? If so, and you couldn't see them, you should have waited until the traffic cleared so that you could. What you seem to be describing is a situation where you continued to press on, even though you could not tell whether it was safe to do so or not. A court might see it that way too, unless you can convince them otherwise.
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Quote from: wantmymoneyback on October 14, 2024, 05:09:55 pm
No camera to the left. Will post google link when home

You were asked about traffic lights, not a camera.
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the junction has the 2 standard traffic lights to the right and left of the junction plus a further traffic light over the junction on the right hand side.

When close to/ at the junction, you rely on the traffic light over the junction.

I am not 100% sure of what happened, but would assume I was coming up to the junction rather slowly leaving a safe gap in behind the lorry. The lane I was in merges with the far right lane over the junction. The road goes from 4 lanes to 3. so I was concentrating on that and could not see the traffic lights to my right and left and the one in front was obscured by the lorry.

Please see link to the junction.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/5Ut6FicPF5k1frQeA

I am not trying to "get Off". Just am not a traffic light jumper which is why I stopped without crossing the junction as soon as I saw the light was red.
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I've been using that road for the last 50-odd years! Showing my age. I suppose depending what lane you're in it could be difficult to see the traffic lights in any position. what lave were you in, what was in the other lanes? Have you been sent a video of the alleged offence? How did you know the light had turned red if you couldn't see it?
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Quote from: roythebus on October 14, 2024, 07:11:32 pm
I've been using that road for the last 50-odd years! Showing my age. I suppose depending what lane you're in it could be difficult to see the traffic lights in any position.
yep the lights at that junction are paticularly difficult to see if there are buses, lorry's, high sided vans.


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How did you know the light had turned red if you couldn't see it?
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as soon as the lorry moved and I saw the light was red I stopped and never crossed the junction.
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It won’t let me upload images.
Error message saying the uploaded is full!
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Quote from: wantmymoneyback on October 14, 2024, 06:46:48 pm
... The road goes from 4 lanes to 3. so I was concentrating on that and could not see the traffic lights to my right and left and the one in front was obscured by the lorry.

Please see link to the junction.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/5Ut6FicPF5k1frQeA

I am not trying to "get Off". Just am not a traffic light jumper which is why I stopped without crossing the junction as soon as I saw the light was red.

I presume then that part of your car must have crossed the stop line when you couldn't actually see the lights and didn't realise they'd turned red.  I believe that that is generally accepted to be jumping the lights.

I think you should have done what NewJudge said.  If you couldn't see the lights you should have waited for the traffic ahead of you to clear so that you could see the lights before proceeding - or not proceeding...
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Whilst in hindsight you are correct that I should have stopped, my question is would a judge side with me?

Please see attached photos https://www.imagebam.com/view/GACSPS

At this junction I had the added pressures of the 2 lanes merging into 1.

Maybe I just take the 3 points……
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Contravening a red light is not an offence that requires intent, so whether you meant to do it or knew you were doing it is irrelevant.
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Quote from: Southpaw82 on October 14, 2024, 09:02:23 pm
Contravening a red light is not an offence that requires intent, so whether you meant to do it or knew you were doing it is irrelevant.

Thanks. What makes a crossing legal?

The fact I have posted on a forum and have had 2 people respond who know the junction and say the traffic lights are hard to see seems to strengthen the case that possibly the junction doesn't conform with the rules?
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S. 36 RTA 1988 and TSRGD 2016.

You should definitely challenge this one. Just tell the court that 2 anonymous posters on the internet agreed that it can be easy for the lights to be obscured, and the court will throw the case out so fast that Kier Starmer will lose his CPS pension.
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