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Genuinely this is for a friend who has difficulties explaining due to health.
This person had borrowed a car. Someone kindly sent a video to operation snap and teh Police have asked for name of driver.On the front page of the letter it states  "Offence Drive on road, other than a motorway, fail to comply with red/green arrow/lane closure light signals".stating "offence RT88975 states contravene red traffic light in the letter. On turning right the driver is met by oncoming traffic and has to reverse".
Factually the driver was turning left not right. It is a one way road with two lanes. The left lane is normally only ahead or left. Right turn is to a car park. The car park lane was closed off. According to govt temporary traffic lights it states. "the temporary lights are clearly visible and positioned in advance of the lane closure and turning points".
These temporary lights were positioned long after the lane closure, level with the non working lights, positioned on right of the road closure side and not placed before the lane closure, hence he did not see the lights hidden behind blue arrow signs etc. There was no red sign saying temporary traffic lights prior to lane closure
The non working lights were seen on teh left by driver as he is negotiating the closed lane. It is a dark area due to high building walls at 1450pm in afternoon, so lighting is not very good as evidenced in their pictures, so as he approached them with caution he was looking up to check they were still not working, which they were not, whilst looking ahead at safety of road where no cars were visible ahead and taking everything in in the area for safety, he thought they were just out and not working and proceeded with caution at slow speed. He was going very slowly and as turned left, traffic was travelling towards him in the left lane he was turning into, unbeknown to him. So he reversed back into a safe place slowly and waited until it was safe as had no vision of lights as all not working.  Now the letter has arrived and he did not see the temporary traffic lights in middle of the road as pictured, which were positioned behind a blue arrow sign, and many metres after teh lane closure looking at the pictures, which would have been hidden at a distance approaching as low traffic lights, on a gradient coming up hill, and when youre trying to take in the permanent traffic lights not working on your left, in dark black road you are really concentrating against bright sun in the distance. If lights are out on a two lane one way road where should the temporary lights be on positioned in law when road has been made to one left lane?    Grateful for any advice as I do think there has been an error here and road temporary planning was poor and probably unlawful? Havent added pictures yet as you advice not too.

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I lost the will to live whilst trying to wade through those solid blocks of text.

Some white space, and ideally a GSV/GM link would probably help
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I would suggest few people on here would be able to give a view on your friend's guilt or innocence, based on that description of events.

Whatever he decides to do about the allegation itself, he must respond to the request for driver's details within the 28 days allowed. Failure to do so will see him commit a separate, more serious offence which carries six points.

So sorry Andy im not very computer literate im afraid. im like one sentence an hour one finger typing. what is a GSV /GM LINK? I will try and look up in meantime but may need to try and get some help. thankyou for reading. Yes the driver details  have been sent off to the police.

GSV/GM is Google Street View/Google Maps

Thankyou for reply of meaning of abbreviations.
I hope this works.https://maps.app.goo.gl/xdwbrNYzZkibMTCs6
Ive added a picture of area at teh time where you can see its poor lighting.
There was no attempt to speed through lights as were not seen, the video shows the slow speed of teh vehicle as to being cautious.  attached photo of road thankyou for help

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I don’t think your friend will get any sympathy saying it was dark. However I do have some sympathy with the fact there doesn’t appear to be a stop here when red light shows sign that temporary lights normally have.

Your friend should phone up and ask if plod can send the full video to help identify the driver.

There is a stop line on the road. The temporary lights are positioned next to the regular lights. The assumption would be to use the same stop line. The advance 'wait here' signs are usually on single carriageway roads where traffic will be coming from the other direction toward you.

The position of the lights are fine. The "couldn't see them because of the blue sign" is nonsense, unless they were in a Sinclair C5.

Poor lighting? No, its a shadow cast on the road. A natural occurrence when driving through a town on a sunny day.

If your friend was turning left into St Lukes Road from Abbey Road, why did he meet oncoming traffic that forced him to reverse?

Was there a lane closure and temporary lights on St Lukes as well?

Like @BertB I don't quite understand how your friend failed to see the temp lights

Yes, there was a lane closure and temporary lights on St Lukes as well so traffic was coming towards me in the lane I was entering as I turned left.
The person doesnt think there was a stop sign there at all, even before the lane closure.
But they will get in touch with Police to get a copy of the video to check. Because of the dark areas and the sun in the area locally, you do at many lights, have to concentrate hard on the main traffic lights, to see if they are definitely showing or working at many sections, because they are difficult to tell what they are on.   
Ive found that myself many times having to go slow to check, so I have sympathy for what happened to this person in this spot, genuinely thinking the lights were not functioning as driving towards them looking and looking up at the left, missing teh lights on the other side of road. It was a genuine mistake, which could have been avoided with signage, red stop/ wait here sign and temporary lights put at the beginning of the lane closure, as people would normally expect and traffic legislation states to do. Do whoever manages the closures not have to follow these legal procedures, ie can they put temporary lights on opposite side of road to where lights are normally positioned, and after the blue arrow sign etc,  especially without red signage ?  Thanks for your advice

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Genuinely this is for a friend who has difficulties explaining due to health.

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…so traffic was coming towards me in the lane I was entering as I turned left.

It doesn’t’ particularly matter (apart from details being lost in the telling) but who is involved here?

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But they will get in touch with Police to get a copy of the video to check.

The police are unlikely at this stage to meet that request (though there’s no harm in asking).

Has whoever received the request for driver’s details responded yet?

The person doesnt think there was a stop sign there at all, even before the lane closure.

The person who didn't see a set of traffic lights doesn't think there was a stop line there at all? Even after looking at the images of the road that you attached in post 6 and the google street view image? I'm shocked.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vgdhY9Sq1YeZwsTF9 
 
which could have been avoided with signage, red stop/ wait here sign and temporary lights put at the beginning of the lane closure, as people would normally expect and traffic legislation states to do.

Does it?

As far as things go, the offence has been committed. You haven't mentioned if the driver has been named but upon doing so they will come back with an offer. Depending on severity viewed this could be an educational course, a COFP or SJPN. Upon receiving this the driver can then opt for court to plead their case based upon signage not meeting the requirements of their observational skills and eyesight. To be honest, if an educational course is offered I would grab it with both hands if I were them.