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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2024, 05:43:15 pm »
I managed to access the photo evidence.

On there it states, ''time since speed limit change'' ''1hour 27mins and 22 seconds''

So, I read that as, the speed limit did not change for over 1 hour and 27mins ?

That is just not correct, the speed limits constantly changed ! Is there a way I can request or obtain the speed limits on that day for that section of the motorway ?

Thanks

The only limit that matters is the one you're alleged to have exceeded: what happened on the rest of your journey is irrelevant.

Did you see the limit on that particular gantry change? Presumably not, or you would have complied.

BTW when a limit does reduce, you will not be prosecuted for immediately speeding past the sign. The system has a built-in delay before the cameras are activated for the new limit.

The speed limit changed on a regular basis.

They are saying it did not change for well over an hour, that is simply not true !

The speed limit on the motorway continued to change through out the journey and absolutely did change more than a few times in an hour.

They have made a mistake. How do I prove they made the mistake ? Is the speed limit information something I can formally request ?
There is no "speed limit on the motorway" except the default 70mph. When variable limits are in use, they can and do vary on different sections of road. The 1hr 27 mins applies only to the gantry where you were photographed, and it is entirely possible that it had remained unchanged for a long period while those before and/or after it varied.

I ask again, did you see the limit on that particular gantry change as you approached?

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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2024, 06:05:59 pm »

The speed limit changed on a regular basis.

They are saying it did not change for well over an hour, that is simply not true !

The speed limit on the motorway continued to change through out the journey and absolutely did change more than a few times in an hour.

They have made a mistake. How do I prove they made the mistake ? Is the speed limit information something I can formally request ?
You are not understanding what several posters have already said. The 1 hour whatever statement refers to this particular gantry, NOT the whole motorway. So unless you saw the limit for the gantry in quest change as you approached it, you have no evidence at all.

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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2024, 06:42:11 pm »
Is the speed limit information something I can formally request ?

Highways England may provide you with that information.

It will not stop any clock ticking so you may still still respond to the request for drivers details in time or commit a more serious offence.

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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2024, 07:41:33 pm »
How do you know that the speed limit where you were caught had not changed for over an hour? Presumably you didnít sit there and watch?

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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2024, 09:05:00 am »
How do you know that the speed limit where you were caught had not changed for over an hour? Presumably you didnít sit there and watch?

Incredible the amount sarcasm and discourteous posters on this forum.
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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2024, 09:07:15 am »
There is no "speed limit on the motorway" except the default 70mph. When variable limits are in use, they can and do vary on different sections of road. The 1hr 27 mins applies only to the gantry where you were photographed, and it is entirely possible that it had remained unchanged for a long period while those before and/or after it varied.

I ask again, did you see the limit on that particular gantry change as you approached?
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Ok thanks and that explained it really well.

I am not sure if the speed limit changed on that particular gantry.

My issue is the volume of different variable limits applied through out the section of the motorway - its like they were put in place to deliberately trick users with the constant changes as each gantry was approached.



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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2024, 09:13:11 am »
Is the speed limit information something I can formally request ?

Highways England may provide you with that information.

It will not stop any clock ticking so you may still still respond to the request for drivers details in time or commit a more serious offence.

Thank you, this is helpful.

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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2024, 10:06:00 am »
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My issue is the volume of different variable limits applied through out the section of the motorway - its like they were put in place to deliberately trick users with the constant changes as each gantry was approached.

Dealing with that is one of the skills required to drive competently in the UK. If you cannot deal with it you should consider whether you should use variable limit motorways. It certainly does not provide a defence or even mitigation for a speeding offence. In fact it aggravates it because if you know it causes you problems you should exercise extra care.

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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2024, 10:09:27 am »
My issue is the volume of different variable limits applied through out the section of the motorway - its like they were put in place to deliberately trick users with the constant changes as each gantry was approached.
As you were doing over the highest possible limit (70), that has the feeblest excuse known to man, not to mention that when snapped you would be driving UNDER a gantry showing the limit you would be checked against so the scope for confusion is close to zero.

First rule of holes applies here.
There are motorists who have been scammed and those who are yet to be scammed!

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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2024, 10:33:41 am »
How do you know that the speed limit where you were caught had not changed for over an hour? Presumably you didnít sit there and watch?

Incredible the amount sarcasm and discourteous posters on this forum.

I was seeking clarification, as your answers werenít clear as to whether you understood that different limits could apply in different areas. The fact you find this sarcastic and discourteous is on you, not me.
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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2024, 09:15:07 pm »
How do you know that the speed limit where you were caught had not changed for over an hour? Presumably you didn’t sit there and watch?

Incredible the amount sarcasm and discourteous posters on this forum.

I was seeking clarification, as your answers weren’t clear as to whether you understood that different limits could apply in different areas. The fact you find this sarcastic and discourteous is on you, not me.

You know full well what you did and said.

You said ''presumably you didn't sit there and watch'' - this was your sarcasm and you being discourteous.

Why on earth would anyone ''sit there and watch'' ?

Where are the good days of ''pepipoo'' that was a forum run really well with fantastic community.

There have been a lot of friendly posters here but some unhelpful ones too.

thanks anyway.
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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2024, 09:22:22 pm »
I strongly suggest that you wind your neck in, and focus on the issues, rather than whether or not you feel you have been treated with the deference you feel you are entitled to.
I am responsible for the accuracy of the information I post, not your ability to comprehend it.
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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2024, 09:56:35 pm »
You know full well what you did and said.

I sure do. You post here by my good graces, not least because I fund the existence of this forum. So, itís very much my house and not yours. If you donít like that, feel free to leave.
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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2024, 01:36:13 pm »

As you were doing over the highest possible limit (70), that has the feeblest excuse known to man

First rule of holes applies here.

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OP was caught doing 46 in a 40.
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Re: Hire vehicle - Variable speed limit on motorway - Help !
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2024, 03:06:11 pm »
You know full well what you did and said.

I sure do. You post here by my good graces, not least because I fund the existence of this forum. So, itís very much my house and not yours. If you donít like that, feel free to leave.

Hi Southpaw,

If that is correct, then I applaud you and congratulate you for setting up this forum.

I'm sure in reflection you will consider why your response ''Presumably you didnít sit there and watch?'' came across as sarcasm and discourteous, a form of micro aggression.

Do keep up the good work and being polite will only compliment the great work you do.

All the best.