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slapdash

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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2024, 08:02:03 am »
I have a bilateral knee disability which clearly affects pressure applied to pedals down a hill and my reaction times due to pain and ADHD are little slower than the average person

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If there is a way to defend this Iíd like to try as I would like to avoid points

Iíll post pictures

At 35 you would normally get a course offer (if you haven't done one in the last 3 years). No points that way. You have mentioned no points that are in any way relevant to a defence (though you are of course free to plead not guilty and give it a go. Expensive vent though).

Since your disabilities affect your ability to drive they need to be declared to the DVLA.

"We will let you off offences because you are incapable" is not a potential response.

More likely is a medically restricted license. Or possibly even none.


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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2024, 08:30:40 am »
I have a bilateral knee disability which clearly affects pressure applied to pedals down a hill and my reaction times due to pain and ADHD are little slower than the average person
I feel man handled speed fine here is quite unfair can I challenge this at all to my defence as having some disability adjustments?
Really not advisable, you're effectively saying you're unfit to drive.

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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2024, 10:19:40 am »
Have you responded to the request for driver's details yet? You received it more than two months ago and had 28 days to reply. When you last posted before today (in May) you seemed to have little idea of who was driving and no recollection of the occasion. If you haven't responded by now I imagine the police might be in the process of prosecuting you for failing to do so.

Everything you have mentioned actually aggravates the offence (i.e. makes it worse). If you have disabilities which affect your driving you should declare them to the DVLA. If, as you suggest, you are unable to apply the brakes quickly in the event of an emergency (such as when you see a speed camera whilst you are exceeding the speed limit or when a child runs out from behind a parked car) they may ask for a medical report and, as above, perhaps decide they will not allow you to drive.

If you responded in time naming yourself as the driver you should have received the offer of a course by now. If you haven't you should contact the police asap and try to persuade them not to prosecute you for failing to do so.   

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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2024, 11:30:48 am »
Those are not mitigating they are aggravating. You are essentially admitting you do not have the ability to control your vehicle's speed while driving. You don't want to be getting up in court and using that as your defence.

Where the camera van was parked is irrelevant. If you potentially want to turn this into more than a speed awareness course then by all means take it to court and run with it. You may get a sympathetic bench who also have knee injuries.

So you recall that you were driving, the location and the reason why you had crept over the limit as opposed to believing the vehicle was a clone? You earlier stated that the vehicle was with someone else at work in Finchley. What changed? The law will not make exemptions for you disability when it comes to speeding. You will receive the same penalty as the Finchley worker would.

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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2024, 07:12:05 pm »
No cameras found on this street.
This offence was man handed (unseen)
From looking at the evidence I can see vehicle is on a fairly steep road caught at 35 and soon after at 32 as driver recognised vehicle was driving faster than anticipated down the hill
Road is called hill south.
I have a bilateral knee disability which clearly affects pressure applied to pedals down a hill and my reaction times due to pain and ADHD are little slower than the average person
I feel man handled speed fine here is quite unfair can I challenge this at all to my defence as having some disability adjustments?
Also itís evident I did slow down immediately after being pulled faster down hill.
Surely they have chosen this spot to advantage themselves for giving fines and penalties?
Any other people shared useful helpful info about this specific location?
Driver is myself with both mental and physical conditions- all details have been now fully reflected on and gathered and Iím now considering whether to challenge this on man handed location unfairness and the fact I did slow down without knowledge of any cameras or man.
If there is a way to defend this Iíd like to try as I would like to avoid points

Iíll post pictures

You can avoid points by taking the course.

If your conditions affect your ability to drive within limits then it will be a notifiable condition to DVLA and your ability to drive may be withdrawn until such time that you are free of those conditions.  For this reason, I suggest not trying that as mediation or defence. 

Just take the course and drive a little slower than the speed limit so that you can be in the new speed limit at the post. 

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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2024, 07:27:14 pm »
Iíve got a NIP
Please help!!!

Difficult as that place is on a hill and Iím on the borderline of speed limit rule to prosecute
Iím 35 on 30 but the road changes to 40 not long before I have to slow down

Donít recall who was driving - canít see in photograph either, have been victim of scam before so if thatís a ringer I donít know.

Iíve noticed no signature on document printed or signed

Obviously want to resolve successfully

Any procedural issues I can use to dispute

I am the registered keeper but the incident is not of my recollection photos donít help to identify
Other driver is at work proof available

Ringer issue plausible if Previous victim of crime /scam?
And don't forget the limit starts at the sign, that is not where you start to slow down ...

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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2024, 12:11:29 am »
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I have a bilateral knee disability which clearly affects pressure applied to pedals down a hill and my reaction times due to pain and ADHD are little slower than the average person

But you had come through Elstree village which is clearly a 30mph area, and were still in a 30mph area when you were caught, it was not a question of suddenly seeing a 30mph sign, or the road suddenly getting steeper, more suddenly seeing a camera van. Had you been observing the limit before you would have had no problem, you cannnot expect any sympathy from a court over this, quite apart from the fact that going to court with a defence of being physically unable to drive within a speed limit is a fundamentally very poor ides.