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Hi

First time posting on the forum. I did go through "before you post" post. I hope I did not violate anything from there
Long story short.

Today, I received a "Notice of Intended Prosecution & Requirement for Driver Information", asking me to provide the details of the driver.

The thing is that I am pretty sure I was not there at the time of the offence.
So apparently I did 38mph on 30mph road in Bedford at 23:06 while I think my car was parked next to cinema in Milton Keynes since I was in cinema watching a movie at the time. The only time I remember maybe being nearby the offence place is two days later but way earlier than 23:06.

So I am not saying it did not happen but the time and date do not align at all and just makes me think if even that I just need to accept it or if there is any chance for me to dispute it. Did anyone hear about similar situation ?

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« Last Edit: June 19, 2025, 01:44:57 pm by bigk1234 »
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Currently you are being asked to name the driver of the vehicle specified at the time, date and location specified.

The NIP does not alleged that you did anything, but that the driver of your car at the time, date and location specified did.

If you are certain that your vehicle was not at the location specified at the time and date specified, then your vehicle cannot have been involved in the alleged offence, and you are not the person keeping the vehicle - so your obligation under s. 172 RTA 1988 as "any other person" is to provide any information that is in your power to give and that might lead to the identification of the driver. That information would typically be that your vehicle was not at the location stated at the time and date stated, and would generally also include where your car was at the time and date in question.

It might be prudent to think long and hard about where your car would have been at the time in question, and, if it is possible that the time and date might simply be wrong, take long enough thinking long and hard that it would be too late for the police is serve an amended NIP within 14 days of the actual time/date.

N.B. Where you were at the material time is of minor relevance - it is where your car was that is relevant.
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Are you absolutely certain of your dates. Do you have the cinema ticket to prove it.  Were your keys in your pocket.

If so either their nip has the wrong date/time or the car wasn’t yours (plate misread or cloned).

As advised wait 14 days before replying

(although you don’t say if it’s your car and you have the log book, which would negate the 14 day wait.  Have you double checked the reg on the NIP? E.g you lease the car and the finance company have provided the wrong clients details accidentally after misreading the reg)


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Thanks for Replies,

Yes the car is mine and I do not share it with any other drivers.I am certain I was there at that time.
I've got tickets confirmed and I think even the parking next to the cinema has cameras there so maybe I could request proof that my car was parked there.

The movie was at 19:00, the movie was 2 hours 50 min and plus ads before movie started so I did not leave cinema until after the alleged offence.

I really start to think about misread red or cloning. Cloning sounds scary since it means someone did it on purpose but I hope for the first option.

I will wait 14 days like you said. Maybe in meantime I will find out if I can request cctv or proof that my car was parked at the time next to cinema ? This might take a while.
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Quote from: bigk1234 on June 19, 2025, 06:01:24 pm

... The movie was at 19:00, the movie was 2 hours 50 min and plus ads before movie started so I did not leave cinema until after the alleged offence...

Are you sure you left the cinema after the time of the alleged offence?

Film ended c. 21:50 offence at 23:06
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Yes since there are still ads playing for good 15 min. So movie did not start until 19:15 ish. On top of that it takes 25 min to get to the place of the offence from cinema and it is in wrong direction anyway since I do not drive through bedford. I drive south.
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It may not help you but you could contact them asking for any pictures to assist in identifying the driver. It's a long shot at night but it might reveal something.
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There are two schools of thought -

if the OP requests photos to help to identify the driver, and after seeing that the photos don't contradict his subsequent claim, then responds by saying that his vehicle was elsewhere, that runs the risk of sounding like his dog ate his homework, but

if the OP asserts that it his car was not at the time/date/location in question, the police are likely to refuse to share any information/evidence.

If the OP is certain that his vehicle was not at the time/date/location in question, then arguably the benefit in seeing the photos would be minimal. That said, if the OP thinks that a 3h05m movie (including trailers) was still playing 4h06m after it started, I might need to get some more popcorn in.

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Quote from: bigk1234 on June 19, 2025, 06:35:00 pm
Yes since there are still ads playing for good 15 min. So movie did not start until 19:15 ish. On top of that it takes 25 min to get to the place of the offence from cinema and it is in wrong direction anyway since I do not drive through bedford. I drive south.

Your timings don't make sense.  You could have got to the offence location and still have about 36 minutes to spare according to your times.

(When you say 19:00 do you actually mean 9pm ie 21:00)
« Last Edit: June 19, 2025, 08:35:17 pm by ManxTom »
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Ok I cannot count today 🤦 You are right it was after movie. Even if I stretch it and count 2h 50 min movie and 20 min of ads it would be 22:10 I left the cinema. Still I did not drive in Beford direction. I live in Luton direction. On letter it says Bedford kempston as camera location. I was pretty much home by 22:40ish it takes 30 min for me to get home
« Last Edit: June 19, 2025, 08:39:50 pm by bigk1234 »
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We are talking about a date less than 14 days ago aren’t we?

Do you have a ring doorbell to confirm the time you got home? Was anybody with you who could verify your recollections?

I would definitely ask for photos incase they help jog your memory.
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Do you or anyone who was with you at the cinema have Google maps tracking your journeys on the timeline? If so that would help to show if you were in that area or what time you got home which could assist in showing that you weren't in the area if there are ANPR cameras on your route home that would corroborate this.
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Quote from: CharlieVictor33 on June 20, 2025, 06:35:29 am
Do you or anyone who was with you at the cinema have Google maps tracking your journeys on the timeline?
The question is not about the OP's location, but that of his car.
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Quote from: 666 on June 20, 2025, 07:27:32 am
Quote from: CharlieVictor33 on June 20, 2025, 06:35:29 am
Do you or anyone who was with you at the cinema have Google maps tracking your journeys on the timeline?
The question is not about the OP's location, but that of his car.
That would only show the location of the tracking device, not the car, nor the OP!
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Quote from: roythebus on June 20, 2025, 08:35:21 am
That would only show the location of the tracking device, not the car, nor the OP!

True but to suggest that the OP arranged in advance for somebody else to take his phone to the cinema and back, then use pre-purchased tickets in his name just to create an alibi so that he could go and pick up a speeding offence far from home, would hardly wash if it came to court.
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