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I seem to remember street lights must be every 180m/200 yards. We had lots of discussions about this when I joined pepipoo back in the late 2000's.

When I mentioned updating in my earlier thread the driver CPC course which, for those who are not aware, is 35 hours compulsory training for bus and lorry drivers that has to be undertaken over a five year period. Designed to improve driving standards and update professional drivers on road traffic law, H&S, economic driving etc. The driver must carry his CPC card at all times when driving a lorry or bus.Fine up to £1000 for not carying the card!
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Quote from: NewJudge on December 07, 2025, 12:37:04 pm
I have heard that some police forces do not offer courses for speeding when the vehicle involved is an HGV.
It's going to be a hard lesson learned if that is how Cumbria police operate.

I've been reading up on the possible outcome of my crimes and I forgot times have changed so instead of worst case scenario of 3 points and £100 fines each way it's now: 4-6 points or 7-28 days disqualification & a fine of 75-125% of a weeks wage.

If people are suggesting I have a chance of contesting this then I'm all ears.
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I see no reason why fixed penalties wouldn’t be offered in the worst case (time permitting).
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Quote from: JustLoveCars on December 07, 2025, 07:16:47 pm
I see no reason why fixed penalties wouldn’t be offered in the worst case (time permitting).

If the OP has taken the trouble to do some research, then rather than showing our ignorance by arguing with him, we should thank him for enlightening us. I'm just off to update the super-seekrit "READ THIS FIRST" post.
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Quote from: andy_foster on December 07, 2025, 07:27:20 pm
Quote from: JustLoveCars on December 07, 2025, 07:16:47 pm
I see no reason why fixed penalties wouldn’t be offered in the worst case (time permitting).

If the OP has taken the trouble to do some research, then rather than showing our ignorance by arguing with him, we should thank him for enlightening us. I'm just off to update the super-seekrit "READ THIS FIRST" post.

No one is arguing here. As for doing my research, sometimes it's best to get help from people with experience, hakuna ya tatas.
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I've been reading up on the possible outcome of my crimes and I forgot times have changed so instead of worst case scenario of 3 points and £100 fines each way it's now: 4-6 points or 7-28 days disqualification & a fine of 75-125% of a weeks wage.

You need to be careful what you read and (particularly in your case) what you don't.
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Add to that possibility of the TC suspending your HGV entitlement for a while as well. your employer is under an obligation to report such matters; whether further action will be taken remains to be seen. You may be lucky.

I was reminded of the street lamp spacing on my last speed awareness course. :) Yep, I get done as well, but never when driving a bus.
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Quote from: roythebus on December 07, 2025, 11:17:53 pm
Add to that possibility of the TC suspending your HGV entitlement for a while as well. your employer is under an obligation to report such matters; whether further action will be taken remains to be seen. You may be lucky.

I was reminded of the street lamp spacing on my last speed awareness course. :) Yep, I get done as well, but never when driving a bus.

Where can I find detailed information about the street lamp spacing? And would I have to measure the distances between them in person or would an online tool & GSV be acceptable?
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And here
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Quote from: andy_foster on December 08, 2025, 10:00:46 pm
And here
As much as I appreciate Roythebus contributions I was looking for the official wording, Roythebus provided valuable information for me which has pointed me in the direction I required, however he didn't (and I don't expect him to) provide the sections and subsections I need to read.

Andy, I appreciate you going out of your way to highlight Roythebus previous input, thank you.
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a road is a restricted road for the purposes of section 81 of this Act if—

(a)in England and Wales, there is provided on it a system of street lighting furnished by means of lamps placed not more than 200 yards apart;

Looking very quickly at the GSV images I would suggest that requirement is met (though it's difficult to be sure). 200 yards is the length of 20 buses.
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Quote from: NewJudge on December 07, 2025, 12:37:04 pm
I have heard that some police forces do not offer courses for speeding when the vehicle involved is an HGV.
On another scan I think you may be right - the streetlighting is only on one side and very easy to miss.
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Quote from: JustLoveCars on December 09, 2025, 08:34:09 am
Quote from: NewJudge on December 07, 2025, 12:37:04 pm
I have heard that some police forces do not offer courses for speeding when the vehicle involved is an HGV.
On another scan I think you may be right - the streetlighting is only on one side and very easy to miss.


I've just used Google earth to take measurements between two light posts, I don't think it was 100% accurate (my pc is old slow) but they appear to fall short of 200 yards.

I've accepted my fate, it's my fault I'm here... anyway I did a quick insurance quote as my car insurance is due, with points on my licence the quotes were cheaper by £15!  ???  :D
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Best thing is to go back there and take actual measurements if you can, but it can be an expensive day in court if you challenge and lose. You may be lucky and get the standard FPN £100 and 3 points.

Car insurances don't seem to worry too much about speeding points these days.

The Driver CPC courses vary in content, but those I've been on have had a session regrding speed limits. One notable speed awareness course I went on the chap lecturing shed a picture of a national speed limit sign on a 2 lane road and asked "what's the speed limit here?" He wasn't happy with the reply "what vehicle am I driving?" 
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