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Basildon Bond

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71 in a 60
« on: October 18, 2025, 12:53:53 pm »
my elderly father 94 (no longer driving) still has a car registered in his name, that I drive and he has had an NIP for 71 in a 60 with a photo (unclear) I was last stopped/done for speeding about 8 years ago, got a course nothing else since with squeeky clean licence - thoughts and suggestions appreciated - it was a painted dual carriageway, overtaking lane, not a proper dual carriageway.
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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2025, 01:17:27 pm »
Thoughts -

You seem to have avoided explicitly asking a question, but mention that the NIP is addressed to your elderly father who no longer drives. The clear implication being that you are fishing for suggestions that we should all conspire to pervert the course of justice by getting your elderly father to take the points, and then we can all be **** in the showers while we are serving our prison sentences.

You have helpfully avoided including any details on which any viable defence to the speeding allegation might be based, other than demonstrating that you don't know what a dual carriageway is - although that is not a basis for a defence.

As you are already aware, your father is legally required to name the driver.
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Basildon Bond

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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2025, 01:32:06 pm »
Not at all, I'm not trying to get a suggestion my dad takes the points, I clearly state he doesn't drive, he hasn't for years, he surrendered his licence as he didn't feel safe anymore behind the wheel, I mention he got the NIP as the vehicle is still registered to him for no other reason than it is fact, but thanks for your kind words.

What viable defence do I have, unsure, that's why I came here, for help, I am fully aware my father, needs to legally name the driver and I will as he's 94 and I am also his carer so I will be naming the driver myself.
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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2025, 02:11:39 pm »
Quote from: Basildon Bond on October 18, 2025, 01:32:06 pm
What viable defence do I have, unsure, that's why I came here, for help, I am fully aware my father, needs to legally name the driver and I will as he's 94 and I am also his carer so I will be naming the driver myself.
From what you have said so far, you have no viable defence. Unless there is something significant you haven't mentioned. You should be eligible for another course at that speed, so suggest you/your father get(s) on with it and name(s) the driver (yourself). The earlier you do this, and likewise when you get a S.172 request addressed to you, the less chance it has of running out of time to do the course.
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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2025, 02:24:07 pm »
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I am fully aware my father, needs to legally name the driver and I will as he's 94 and I am also his carer so I will be naming the driver myself.

I'm not sure how diligent the ticket office will be but the duty to respond to the request rests with your father and cannot be delegated. If he is unable to do so it might be wise to consider a change of Registered Keeper.

Is there any particular reason why your father remains RK when he hasn't driven for years?
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Basildon Bond

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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2025, 02:46:50 pm »
@New Judge - My Dad was/is still RK as it was their (my parents) car, but sadly we've been busy as mum became longterm ill, we had to get a bigger car with wheelchair/zimmer etc and the other car becoming the runaround (used by me) and she recently passed, so I'm sure you'll understand I/We've been quite busy. I have LPA over my father, so I will in effect be incriminating myself
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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2025, 02:49:13 pm »
@The Slithy Stove - you think I'll only get a course, not the points/fine route?
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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2025, 03:05:34 pm »
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...so I will in effect be incriminating myself

You would be doing exactly the same if you were the RK.
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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2025, 03:08:00 pm »
Quote from: NewJudge on October 18, 2025, 02:24:07 pm
I'm not sure how diligent the ticket office will be but the duty to respond to the request rests with your father and cannot be delegated.

The responsibility cannot be delegated, but the performance can - as long as the addressee was not the driver.

The dangers of delegating are 2-fold (when the addressee was not the driver)
- if the delegate fails to provide the required information, the addressee commits the offence. If the delegate volunteered, then he would likely be guilty of perverting,
- the delegate providing the information required of the delegator does not negate his subsequent requirement to provide that information again when he receives his own s. 172 requirement (NIP).
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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2025, 05:06:59 pm »
Quote from: Basildon Bond on October 18, 2025, 02:49:13 pm
@The Slithy Stove - you think I'll only get a course, not the points/fine route?
It will be either/or, your choice.
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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2025, 11:27:56 am »
Is your dad able to fill the form in himself?

If he is then you can tell him you were driving and he has a choice.  Fill the form in or not fill the form in.

The penalty for not filling the form in will be 6 points and a large fine.

If he fills the form in you get 3 points and a (smaller - £100) fine.  You will then have a tiny bit higher insurance premiums and will be closer to a totting ban. Or you might be offered a course so will have a £100 outlay but no points.

Your dad can then make the decision on his own on whether to name you or accept his punishment for not naming you.

But, if you want advice get the form returned asap naming yourself and then reply to your own S172 asap to get the course.

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Re: 71 in a 60
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2025, 04:48:09 pm »
I am very simple in my answers these days as I get older.

You need to fill the form in for your father, naming you as thedriver with your name and address, and then just get him to sign the form. Send it off and hopefully you will get the option of a speed awareness course or £100 fine and 3 points.

Your fathers failure to respond will financially cost your family more and the 6 points on your fathers license may not matter to you or your father.
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