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Re: NIP Advice please
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In layman's terms, if the director(s) are to blame (whether through a positive act or through neglect) for the company getting fined for failing to identify the driver, they can also be penalised (which includes getting points on their licence)

If you don't know what you're talking about, please refrain from posting bollox
Luckily I do know what I'm talking about and what I posted wasn't 'bollox', but thanks for the tip.

Except Schedule 2 to the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 doesn’t provide for discretionary or obligatory endorsement of a licence for an offence under a 172(5), so how would points be imposed?
I am not qualified to give legal advice in the UK. While I will do my best to help you, you should not rely on my advice as if it was given by a lawyer qualified in the UK.

Re: NIP Advice please
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Thanks for all this extra info re the company, not sure I totally understand it.

Want to go the honest route and ok to say Dad was driving both times.

As nominating on behalf of the company, does this go under section 2 (with updating details in section 4?) or section 3 and name him in section 4?

Thank you  :)

Re: NIP Advice please
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Thanks for all this extra info re the company, not sure I totally understand it.

In a nutshell it means this:

When a "request for driver's details" is addressed to an individual and no response (or an unsatisfactory one) is received, the individual to whom it was addressed will, on conviction for that offence see a fine and six points imposed on his licence.

Where the recipient of the request is not an individual but a "body corporate" (e.g. a company) it is not possible to impose points because a company does not have a driving licence or driving record.

However, there is a provision in the law which says if it can be proved that the failure to respond is due to the "consent, connivance or neglect" of an identifiable individual, that individual can also be punished.

So if, in your circumstances, you (as, say, the Company Secretary) decide to say "Sod it. We'll not bother responding to that. I know who was driving but I don't want to see him get an endorsement and points so we'll just take the financial hit against the Company" (and it can be proved) then you, as an individual, can also face prosecution.

It was then suggested that you, as that individual, could also see six points imposed. But as Southpaw points out, the law does not allow it. The only penalty is a financial one.

I don't know what the various sections are on the response form. In essence the Company needs to say "I was not driving" and then provide Dad's details as the person who was. He will then get his own request which he must complete to confirm he was driving.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2025, 01:11:42 pm by NewJudge »

Re: NIP Advice please
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Ok great thanks so much for explaining Newjudge!

So will fill out 'I was not the driver' and then fill in that my dad was and wait for him to receive the next form in his own name then fill that in to confirm he was the driver.

Thank you!

Really helpful, much appreciated  :)