Author Topic: Who TF is ParkMaven  (Read 6767 times)

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Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #30 on: »
Hi Mate, I only provided the one example that B789 provided. I am such an amateur at this. I got 7 days to reply to what their argument is, I was thinking if I should mention that it was indeed paid and I have proof of that on my bank statement or just not bother mention that at all. Not sure where to go from here with these crooks!

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #31 on: »
Hi lads, can you recommend anything that I could say back to ParkMavens reply to POPLA?

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #32 on: »
Just copy and paste the following as your response:

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POPLA should determine liability on law, not on Parkmaven’s generic narrative about signs, ANPR or non-payment. Keeper liability only arises if the NTK strictly complies with every “must” in PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2). It does not.

1. PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) missing. Parkmaven repeatedly asserts “full compliance with PoFA” but nowhere in their evidence do they identify a sentence that invites the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges. Their NTK talks to “the driver” when demanding payment and does not contain an invitation directed to “the keeper” to pay. PoFA 9(2)(e) has two limbs; limb (i) is an invitation to the keeper to pay. Without that exact invitation, keeper liability cannot arise. POPLA should require Parkmaven to point, verbatim, to the precise sentence within the NTK that invites the keeper to pay. If they cannot, the appeal must be allowed.

2. No concept of substantial compliance. Parkmaven’s claims about signage, payment systems, and ANPR are irrelevant to the statutory gateway. The gateway never opens unless each element in 9(2) is present. A missing limb is fatal to keeper liability even if other matters are proven.

3. Driver only. Parkmaven’s case is predicated on a driver breach. The driver has not been identified. In the absence of a PoFA-compliant NTK containing the mandatory keeper-payment invitation, only the driver could be liable and the keeper cannot be.

4. Period of parking. POPLA should also scrutinise 9(2)(a). If the NTK merely states ANPR entry/exit times or a “duration of stay” rather than specifying a period of parking, it fails 9(2)(a). ANPR timestamps record vehicle movement, not a period parked. If the NTK lacks an actual stated period of parking, that is a separate PoFA failure and again prevents keeper liability.

5. Irrelevance of BPA Code assertions. Whether Parkmaven say they complied with a trade association code does not cure a PoFA omission. Trade codes cannot create keeper liability where Parliament has not.

Conclusion: Parkmaven have not rebutted the single determinative point. They have not shown any NTK wording that invites the keeper to pay as required by 9(2)(e)(i). On that ground alone the appeal must be allowed. If POPLA takes a different view, please identify the exact NTK sentence that constitutes the 9(2)(e)(i) keeper-payment invitation. Absent that, the keeper is not liable in law.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #33 on: »
Top man, I’ve seen in recent posts of yours that POPLA will always reject appeals lol

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #34 on: »
Hi, I have just received a reply from POPLA and of course my appeal was unsuccessful and “I must pay” which I refuse to as I know I am not in the wrong here. Am I screwed now ? What happens from this point on as I have never gone through popla before ?

Thanks

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #35 on: »
The POPLA decision is in no way binding on you, but please post it here for us to see.

You will get letters from debt collectors which we don’t need to see and you can ignore other than telling us who they are from.

When you get a Letter of Claim please post it and we can advise.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2026, 06:15:17 pm by jfollows »

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #36 on: »
Hi, thanks for the reply. I am unsure how i send the email I received from popla as there is no option to download it as a pdf ( only print ) and I can copy and paste the link to here but it will just ask you for the login details of mine for you to view, so im not quite sure how I can show what was said


Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #38 on: »
https://ibb.co/0V93LWx8   (This should work )

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #39 on: »
Has anyone got any advice?..

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #40 on: »
Have you received a Letter of Claim?

If not, the advice provide by jfollows on 16th January still applies.

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #41 on: »
Has anyone got any advice?..

Wait for a letter of claim - ignore all debt collecting letters.


In the meantime, you could write a complaint to POPLA outlining their assessors 'procedural error' in applying PoFA in a situation where the requirements of PoFA weren't met. Their response could help you if the matter were progressed.

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #42 on: »
In the meantime, you could write a complaint to POPLA outlining their assessors 'procedural error' in applying PoFA in a situation where the requirements of PoFA weren't met. Their response could help you if the matter were progressed.
You could but you'd probably be wasting your time. Even b789 intimated in their first post it was unlikely a POPLA assessor would find in favour of the keeper based on that appeal. Have we ever seen this avenue work with a PPC or second stage appeal?

Just sit tight and wait for the LOC.

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #43 on: »
In the meantime, you could write a complaint to POPLA outlining their assessors 'procedural error' in applying PoFA in a situation where the requirements of PoFA weren't met. Their response could help you if the matter were progressed.
You could but you'd probably be wasting your time. Even b789 intimated in their first post it was unlikely a POPLA assessor would find in favour of the keeper based on that appeal. Have we ever seen this avenue work with a PPC or second stage appeal?

Just sit tight and wait for the LOC.


It is always worth complaining.

Even though POPLA is a one stage appeal process, it would definitely help a defendant's case if they could evidence that their appeal had been mis-handled due to a procedural error.

We've seen this before when POPLA assessors have incorrectly applied PoFA on non-relevant land - at the complaint stage POPLA admitted that they'd screwed up - this legally scuppered the operators chance of pursuing the matter to court as the POPLA complaint response acknowledged that the airport land involved was not relevant land and therefore the keeper could never be held liable.

So effectively you can manipulate the system to make it a two stage process if you know how to play it.

In this particular case, if the NtK didn't contain the required wording then the matter is entirely objective in nature - meaning; that the procedural error is clearly obvious.

In terms of PoFA Schedule 4 para. 9(2)(e) - the section not only requires that the relevant information is provided to the keeper but the information must be provided in a specific fashion - namely; that the 9(2)(e) specified a generic wording followed by the specific wording of 9(2)(e)(i) followed by the word "or" followed by the specific wording of 9(2)(e)(ii) - this means that collectively the keeper is advised of their legal position and is then presented with a legal choice - a choice of either paying the unpaid parking charges themself OR by nominating the driver - if the required wording is not present (as appears the case in this situation) then the keeper is never presented with the legal choice which is specified in 9(2)(e) - the POPLA assessor clearly misses this and this is a procedural error.

Re: Who TF is ParkMaven
« Reply #44 on: »
Cheers for that lads really appreciated I’ll sit tight these muppets won’t be getting a penny. Thanks again