Author Topic: VHK SOUTHALL - PCN issued - never parked as no parking got gridlocked - Parking  (Read 240 times)

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I entered the site on 26th April purely to look for a parking space of which there was none. However, due to severe congestion and the layout of the car park, I was unable to exit promptly. The area had effectively become gridlocked, with vehicles obstructing movement in multiple directions. There appeared to be no clear one-way system or traffic management in place, which contributed significantly to the blockage and confusion.

At one stage, I had vehicles both in front of and behind me, preventing any possibility of movement or exit. At no point did I intentionally park the vehicle or leave it unattended. The delay was entirely the result of the traffic situation within the car park, which was completely outside of my control.

I entered the site at 14:33:42 and left the car park at 14:44:03 so a total of 10 minutes and 21 seconds.

Any delay was caused solely by the inability to move freely within the car park itself.

 I've appealed to landowner who has said they lease it to Parking Eye and can't (likely don't want to) do anything.

I've not appealed yet as the Parking Eye online appeals process asks for a name and whether I'm the driver, registered keeper or other.

The date of the pcn issued is 1st May 2026 but this did not arrive until 9th May.

Below are images of the PCN, an image of the parking terms on site which i found online and screenshot of the online appeals process.

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Please advise. Ive seen the template on this forum and wish to know how to use that on online appeals process or is it worth adding the gridlocked nature of my predicament on the day. I have no dashcam footage

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You appeal as the registered keeper do not give any indication as to who was the driver. These are not uncommon issues in car parks and parking companies have differing views on how to deal for e.g SWMBO had one by premier park and it went to POPLA case won. One was dealt with by NCP and they withdrew it at the first appeal.

See where the dice is rolled with the parking company stressing no parking took place they may have received a number of appeals in this instance.

Ok how's this as a response:

I am writing to formally appeal Parking Charge Notice reference **** relating to vehicle registration ****, with ANPR timestamps recorded at **14:44:03** and **14:44:42** on Sunday 26th April at the VHK Southall car park.

The allegation that the vehicle was “parked” is wholly inaccurate and unsupported by the evidence provided.

The ANPR images merely show the vehicle entering and exiting the site. They do not demonstrate that any parking took place, that a parking space was occupied, or that any parking terms were accepted or breached.

The vehicle entered the site solely for the purpose of attempting to locate an available parking space. However, no parking spaces were available. Due to significant congestion within the car park, vehicles became obstructed in multiple directions and movement through the site was severely restricted.

At various points, vehicles were positioned both in front of and behind the vehicle, preventing immediate exit. The car park appeared gridlocked, exacerbated by a lack of clear traffic flow or one-way management.

To be absolutely clear:

* No parking space was occupied at any stage
* No occupant exited the vehicle
* The vehicle was never left unattended
* The vehicle remained in transit throughout the duration recorded

Remaining temporarily within a congested car park while attempting to locate a space, before ultimately exiting due to the absence of availability, does not constitute “parking.” No reasonable interpretation of the circumstances could conclude otherwise.

Furthermore, the timestamps themselves demonstrate a very short period between entry and exit, entirely consistent with a vehicle attempting to find a space before leaving due to the absence of available parking.

Given the above, this Parking Charge Notice has been issued unfairly and without proper consideration of the actual circumstances. I therefore request that the notice be cancelled immediately.

Please also note that no assumptions should be made as to the identity of the driver, and no such admissions are made within this appeal.

I look forward to your confirmation that this matter has been resolved.


I’d start your appeal with a summary, eg
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I did not park, there were no parking spaces available and I was prevented from leaving by traffic congestion. I will not be paying this invoice.
Also, don’t use “unfairly”. They don’t care about “fairness”.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2026, 03:04:58 pm by jfollows »

Personally I'd cut the waffle and keep it brief. The driver wasn't able to find a space and was unable to leave quickly as the site was congested.

They won't know there was a problem on site when the driver was there so as far as they are concerned the driver broke the rules.

All the stuff about entry and exit images isn't going to make any difference for a first appeal, that's how ANPR enforcement works.  You'll get someone on minimum wage assessing your initial appeal, make it easy for them to grant it, don't hide a half decent appeal reason amongst a load of legal waffle, they will just gloss over it.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2026, 09:59:35 pm by ixxy »

Personally I'd cut the waffle and keep it brief. The driver wasn't able to find a space and was unable to leave quickly as the site was congested.

They won't know there was a problem on site when the driver was there so as far as they are concerned the driver broke the rules.

All the stuff about entry and exit images isn't going to make any difference for a first appeal, that's how ANPR enforcement works.  You'll get someone on minimum assessing your initial appeal, make it easy for them to grant it, don't hide a half decent appeal reason amongst a load of legal waffle, they will just gloss over it.
Bingo.

Lead with the driver being unable to park, and being unable to leave promptly due to congestion. It's true (and in this case very relevant) that ANPR doesn't capture actual parking, but this argument is much stronger if you lead with the reason why that fact has led to an erroneous charge being issued on this occasion specifically.

As advised I kept it short and sweet. Got this response via email and told me to appeal to POPLA. Any advice here please as not sure what would be the best grounds to appeal on especially as I've got no dashcam footage






« Last Edit: June 03, 2026, 09:58:09 am by RDLMSD »

« Last Edit: June 03, 2026, 09:55:16 am by RDLMSD »

Same grounds for POPLA appeal, but you may want to read and quote from https://www.ssrichardmontgomery.com/download/Parking%20Eye%20Ltd%20Case%20No%203JD08399%20judgement.pdf

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It seems to me a customer who enters that car park, cannot find a space and leaves
the car park is not aware that if they are doing that for more than 20 minutes they
are liable to a charge. It seems to me that the signage makes it clear that if you
park you are liable to pay a charge.
The difficulty for the Claimant here is they cannot prove whether this car was
parked or not and I have got to consider the matter on the balance of probabilities.
On that balance of probabilities, as I have indicated, I am satisfied the Defendant
was not parked and I am not satisfied that it was clear to the Defendants that by
parking or entering or remaining within the area covered by Parking Eye Ltd they
were liable for a charge, that the signage does not make that clear in my view
unless one gets out of the car, walks up to it, by which point it seems to me one
would be parked, and even if this was not the case, even if there were signs saying
that, I cannot see that a charge for driving around a car park can in any way be a
genuine pre-estimate of loss as opposed to actually parking.
From
3JD08399 ParkingEye v Ms X. (Altrincham 17/03/2014). Fistral Beach. The defendant spent 31 minutes waiting for a car park space during the c...
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3JD08399 ParkingEye v Ms X. (Altrincham 17/03/2014). Fistral Beach. The defendant spent 31 minutes waiting for a car park space during the crowded holiday season. The ANPR evidence was therefore not relevant as it showed the time in the car park, not the time parked. The judge ruled this was not against the terms and conditions of the signage. The judge also stated that in any case £100 was not likely to be a true pre-estimate of loss.
In an important case, the judge ruled that the 31 minutes the defendant spent driving round the crowded car park in Whit week did not classify as 'parking'. The ANPR evidence only showed the time of entry and exit to the car park, and not the true time parked. The signage only required payment for times parked, and therefore there was no contravention of the terms and conditions.

Whatever POPLA decides, this is extremely unlikely to actually go to court because clearly it would be thrown out if it did. If Parking Eye engage DCB Legal in due course, know that they do so for cases they’re not confident about winning, and the process is designed to intimidate you into paying, and DCB Legal usually discontinue at the eleventh hour, before having to pay the court fee.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2026, 10:38:37 am by jfollows »

So appealed to Popla using ParkingEye v Ms X. (Altrincham 17/03/2014) as evidence and basically used what i drafted further up the thread.

Parking Eye submitted their rebuttal on 21st days citing Parking Eye vs Beavis along with photos of my cat entering and exiting the car park which I've already shared above.

I have 7 days to respond to their rebuttal. They sent the following and would greatly appreciate advice:

Case History
26/04/2026   Date of event
System check/manual check identified breach of terms and conditions, prior to DVLA request
30/04/2026   Request queued to DVLA for keeper details
01/05/2026   DVLA response received - Success (Legislation Used: POFA_POPLA - Issued To: Keeper)
01/05/2026   Parking Charge Letter Issued - Letter1 - Ltr01-217
10/05/2026   Parking Charge Letter Issued - Letter2 - Ltr02-217
15/05/2026   Letter Issued - Website Appeal Response
15/05/2026   Website Appeal received for this case and is queued for processing.
03/06/2026   Letter Issued - Unsuccessful POPLA - Paid Parking Not Purchased...

Rules and Conditions
VHK, Southall is a Paid Parking car park as clearly stated on the signage (enclosed). We have included a signage plan showing that there are signs situated at the entrance, exit and throughout the car park displaying the terms and conditions of the site.

All available payment options can be found within the enclosed signage. The full, correct vehicle registration must be inputted when parking payments are made.

Please see below information relating to the payment options on site:

Payment Options: Pay by phone & payment machines
Number of Paid Parking Machines: 1

Authority
We can confirm that the above site is on private land, is not council owned and that we have written authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices at this site from the landowner (or landowner’s agent).
It must also be noted that any person who makes a contract in his own name without disclosing the existence of a principal, or who, though disclosing the fact that he is acting as an agent on behalf of a principal, renders himself personally liable on the contract, is entitled to enforce it against the other contracting party. (Fairlie v Fenton (1870) LR 5 Exch 169). It follows that a lawful contract between ourselves and the motorist will be enforceable by us as a party to that contract.

Additional Information
This car park has been registered with the British Parking Association and is compliant with the Single Code of Practice.

The signage on site clearly sets out the terms and conditions and states that;

"By parking, waiting or otherwise remaining within this private car park, you agree to comply with the terms of the Parking Contract, including making payment as required and entering your vehicle registration details into the payment machines and/or terminals as directed."

“If you fail to comply with the terms of the Parking Contract, you will become liable to pay the sum specified in this notice (the “Parking Charge”)"

All signs that pertain to the general terms and conditions of parking contain text which explains that, “[…] by entering this private car park, you [each motorist] consent, for the purpose of car park management, to: the capturing of photographs of the vehicle and registration by the ANPR cameras […] and to the processing of this data […]”. In turn, consent is also provided so as to allow us to make a request for registered keeper from the DVLA “where the Parking Contract is not adhered to”. The wording used clearly details that the Parking Contract in question commences when the motorist “enters” the car park and that the data from the ANPR system will be used to enable us to take enforcement action against those who breach the parking terms and conditions in operation.

We operate a grace period on all sites, which gives the motorist time to enter a car park, park, and establish whether or not they wish to be bound by the terms and conditions of parking. These grace periods are sufficient for this purpose and are fully compliant with the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice.

Initially, we would like to state that we are a leading user of ANPR Technology. We ensure that our cameras, technology and processes are of the highest quality and have built up this expertise with more than 10 years of experience of using ANPR cameras. We ensure that we use the best cameras, and that these are expertly configured.
We have also developed a robust process for handling the data and ensuring the accuracy of the system. We are regularly required to provide data taken from these ANPR cameras for Police investigations.
Once the cameras, signage and other technology are installed at a site, we will test the system extensively before parking charges are issued on site. This involves allowing the site to function normally without parking charges being issued, to ensure that the system is functioning correctly.
The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice contains guidelines for the use of ANPR cameras which we fully comply with.
Images recorded by the ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) systems are time-stamped at source. The ANPR servers use NTP to regularly verify the accuracy of the local time clock with any adjustments being logged thus ensuring that all images are captured and stamped with an accurate time and date. Network Time Protocol (NTP) is a widely used standard to accurately synchronise computer time over wide area networks. We firmly believe that these time-stamped images are accurate.
Any time deviance detected on the ANPR servers generates an automatic alert monitored by the Technical Support Team. If at any stage of the process the ANPR cameras are found to be deviating, parking charges are not issued. There are automated and manual checks to ensure that the cameras are accurate.
It is important to note that cameras and ANPR servers are directly attached as an integrated solution situated on-site therefore ensuring the accuracy of the ANPR read and associated date-timestamp. Transactional data and images are recorded locally before batch transfer to our central systems.
There is no evidence to suggest that a parking charge has been issued incorrectly, and we go to great lengths to ensure that all parking charges are issued correctly. The data taken from the Automatic Number Plate Recognition cameras is sent to us, where it undergoes a checking process of up to 19 stages. This ensures that no errors have been made. There are various other procedures in place to ensure that parking charges are issued correctly, and there is no reason to believe that an error has occurred in this case.

You have stated that you do not believe that the Parking Charge amount is a pre-estimation of loss, or that it is extravagant, unfair or unreasonable. In this regard, we rely upon the Supreme Court decision in the matter of Parkingeye v. Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, which was found in Parkingeye’s favour and concerned the value of our Parking Charges.

The Supreme Court considered the Defendant’s submissions that the Parking Charge should be considered to be penal and unfair, but the Justices supported the findings of the lower courts, where the charge was found to be neither ‘extravagant’ nor ‘unconscionable’.


We operate a grace period on this site, that allows for the motorist to park and familiarise themselves with the terms and conditions of parking. However, there must be a cut off, and once this is overstayed a charge will be issued.

We can confirm that the grace period was applied to the vehicle’s stay, however, this grace period was overstayed and a Parking Charge was issued accordingly. There is no obligation to disclose the grace period as this is commercially sensitive and subject to abuse should this period become common knowledge.

Clause 5.2 of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice states ‘A grace period as set out at Annex B to this Code must be allowed by the parking operator in addition to the parking period. A parking charge must not be issued during a Grace Period. The grace period does not apply other than where the driver has parked in compliance with the applicable terms and conditions – it does not apply in isolation so as to allow free parking up to the sum of the consideration and grace periods.’

We ensure that all our signage is clear, ample, and in keeping with the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice regulations. The signage at this site demonstrates adequate colour contrast between the text and the backgrounds advised in the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice.

Please note, our website appeals portal now asks the appellant to confirm that all supporting evidence relating to the Parking Charge has been attached. This confirmation is displayed in the website appeal document included in this evidence pack.
 
Whitelist Lookup - REDACTED
Whitelist Name   Plate   Description   Start Date/Time   End Date/Time   Input Date/Time   Duration
                  

The above system extract displays all permits, payments for parking, and terminal entries relating to the vehicle on the date of the parking event.

Please note, if no results are displayed, this confirms that no permit, payment, or terminal entries were recorded.

They state;

"We operate a grace period on this site, that allows for the motorist to park and familiarise themselves with the terms and conditions of parking. However, there must be a cut off, and once this is overstayed a charge will be issued."

I would simply point out (again) that there was no opportunity to park and therefore the motorist was not able to follow that method.

The operator has not stated what the motorist is expected to do when no parking is available?

Plus the “grace period” is the wrong term, as they should know. The “consideration period” is the time allowed to understand the parking terms and to leave if the motorist does not want to enter into a contract on that basis. The “grace period” is ten minutes added to a paid period of parking to allow the motorist time to leave.

See https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/Sector%20Code%20Templates/sectorsingleCodeofPracticeVersion1.1130426-2.pdf