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ParkingEye - Failure to Pay for Parking - Southall
« on: August 30, 2024, 10:45:06 am »
The driver of this vehicle failed to pay for parking. It was an absent minded mistake that has resulted in a PCN.

Can we rely on POFA 2012 (Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i)) for an appeal? I understand PE are notorious for rejecting appeals.

Many thanks in advance.



« Last Edit: August 30, 2024, 11:37:38 am by DavidJP »

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Re: ParkingEye - Failure to Pay for Parking - Southall
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2024, 11:05:54 am »
I've removed those images, you need to redact your VRM and the parking charge reference number.

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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2024, 11:38:07 am »
I've removed those images, you need to redact your VRM and the parking charge reference number.

Thank you - now edited with redacted images.

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Re: ParkingEye - Failure to Pay for Parking - Southall
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2024, 01:43:27 pm »
In addition to PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) there is also a failure of paragraph 3 because they have not clearly defined the “relevant land”. This leads to a failure of PoFA 9(2)(a).

However, do not hang your hat on those technical arguments. They would only have a chance of working as long as the appeal is made by the keeper and the drivers identity is not divulged. PE would reject any appeal in those points anyway but the point would be to get a POPLA code and appeal to them.

I have no idea where “VHK, Southall” is. Relevant land should be identifiable with an actual address and post code. They have not provided either, hence the “relevant land” argument. Check out the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) for what it says about it.
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Re: ParkingEye - Failure to Pay for Parking - Southall
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2024, 01:59:53 pm »
Have a search on here for "relevant land" and you should be able to find other appeals where this has been raised to help you draft something. Show us what you come up with before sending anything.

If you're struggling I can help draft something over the weekend.

ParkingEye will probably reject (because they can). You've more chance at POPLA, although they can be a bit unpredictable when it comes to arguments about vague location.

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Re: ParkingEye - Failure to Pay for Parking - Southall
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2024, 09:36:16 pm »
As above, the keeper who wasn’t there needs to be able to identify where the parking event occurred in order to defend any allegation, PoFA recognises this and the description given here is meaningless to me, and Google maps.
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Re: ParkingEye - Failure to Pay for Parking - Southall
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2024, 12:52:33 am »
Many thanks all, please find my appeal wording below. Grateful for feedback

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I am writing to formally challenge the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) referenced above, issued to vehicle registration number XXXXX. As the registered keeper of the vehicle, I dispute this PCN on the following grounds:

1. Non-Compliance with Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the strict requirements of Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. Specifically, the NtK does not include a clear and explicit "invitation to pay" the unpaid parking charge. The Act requires this invitation to be clearly stated, without reliance on implication or indirect language.This omission renders the NtK non-compliant with the legal requirements, and as a result, you are unable to transfer liability for the alleged parking charge to me, the registered keeper.

2. Failure to Identify the Relevant Land (Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a) of PoFA 2012)

Additionally, the NtK fails to clearly define the "relevant land" on which the vehicle was allegedly parked. The location stated as "VHK, Southall" is insufficiently specific and does not provide an adequate address or postcode, making it impossible to identify the precise location of the alleged contravention. This failure to accurately specify the relevant land is a breach of Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a) of PoFA 2012.

3. Non-Compliance with BPA Code of Practice.

Furthermore, the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice requires that the NtK clearly specifies the location where the alleged contravention occurred.

The vague description provided in this instance does not meet the BPA’s standards for clarity and transparency, further invalidating this PCN. Given the above points, the PCN issued is not compliant with the requirements set out in PoFA 2012.

Consequently, I request that this parking charge be cancelled immediately.

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2024, 06:59:34 pm »
In addition to PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) there is also a failure of paragraph 3 because they have not clearly defined the “relevant land”. This leads to a failure of PoFA 9(2)(a).

However, do not hang your hat on those technical arguments. They would only have a chance of working as long as the appeal is made by the keeper and the drivers identity is not divulged. PE would reject any appeal in those points anyway but the point would be to get a POPLA code and appeal to them.

I have no idea where “VHK, Southall” is. Relevant land should be identifiable with an actual address and post code. They have not provided either, hence the “relevant land” argument. Check out the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) for what it says about it.


In addition to PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) there is also a failure of paragraph 3 because they have not clearly defined the “relevant land”. This leads to a failure of PoFA 9(2)(a).

However, do not hang your hat on those technical arguments. They would only have a chance of working as long as the appeal is made by the keeper and the drivers identity is not divulged. PE would reject any appeal in those points anyway but the point would be to get a POPLA code and appeal to them.

I have no idea where “VHK, Southall” is. Relevant land should be identifiable with an actual address and post code. They have not provided either, hence the “relevant land” argument. Check out the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) for what it says about it.

Many thanks both - what do you think of my draft in my previous post? Thanking you in advance.

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Re: ParkingEye - Failure to Pay for Parking - Southall
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2024, 09:10:01 pm »
In this bit:

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1. Non-Compliance with Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the strict requirements of Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. Specifically, the NtK does not include a clear and explicit "invitation to pay" the unpaid parking charge. The Act requires this invitation to be clearly stated, without reliance on implication or indirect language.This omission renders the NtK non-compliant with the legal requirements, and as a result, you are unable to transfer liability for the alleged parking charge to me, the registered keeper.

You haven't pointed out that there is no "invitation" for the "keeper" to pay the charge.

PE are going to reject anything you send so just get on with it and send something so you can get your POPLA code.
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Re: ParkingEye - Failure to Pay for Parking - Southall
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2024, 12:49:47 am »
Hi All,

I received the following from Parking Eye - but its just a request to provide more info. I am assuming its best not to reply and let the appeal play out?

See imgur link here :
https://imgur.com/UxiVGhh

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Re: ParkingEye - Failure to Pay for Parking - Southall
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2024, 09:28:59 am »
Hi All,

Just bumping this to the top - any idea on whether I should respond?

Thanks in advance

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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2024, 10:05:37 am »
I'd ignore and wait for a decision on the appeal.

Please don't bump threads. This is a busy forum and sometimes replies might not be immediate (we do this in our spare time). If everyone bumped their threads it would be impossible to keep up.

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Re: ParkingEye - Failure to Pay for Parking - Southall
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2024, 05:52:04 pm »
Dear Folks,

I've now had a formal rejection from ParkingEye. Seems pretty standard but have been provided a POPLA code.

Would you be able to critique my POPLA appeal, please?

Thank you!

Dear POPLA Assessor,

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle referenced in the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by ParkingEye Ltd on 12 August 2024 at VHK, Southall car park. I am appealing this charge on the following grounds:

1. Failure to Comply with Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)
The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the mandatory wording requirements as outlined in PoFA 2012. Specifically:

Lack of an Explicit "Invitation to Pay": Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of PoFA requires the NtK to explicitly invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charge. The NtK issued by ParkingEye does not contain such an invitation in clear terms. The wording is insufficient and ambiguous, failing to convey a direct obligation for the keeper to pay. As PoFA demands strict compliance, this failure invalidates the NtK and prevents the transfer of liability from the driver to me, the registered keeper.

2. Insufficient Identification of "Relevant Land" as per Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a) of PoFA
The NtK does not properly identify the “relevant land” on which the alleged contravention occurred. The vague reference to “VHK, Southall” fails to provide an adequate and specific description of the location. The requirement under PoFA is to specify the land clearly so that the registered keeper can identify where the vehicle was parked. Without a full address or postcode, this NtK is non-compliant with Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a) of PoFA, and therefore, ParkingEye cannot hold me, the registered keeper, liable.

3. Breach of BPA Code of Practice – Inadequate Signage
The British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice requires that all parking terms and conditions be clearly displayed on signage throughout the site. This includes the charge amount and the conditions for parking. The signage at [VHK, Southall car park] is inadequate for the following reasons:

Insufficient Visibility: The signs are not clearly visible upon entering or throughout the car park. They are poorly positioned, and the font is too small to be easily read, particularly in the hours of reduced visibility (e.g., at 19:50, when the alleged contravention occurred).

Lack of Clarity: The terms and conditions, including the consequences of non-compliance, are not prominently displayed in a clear and concise manner as required by the BPA Code of Practice.
This lack of adequate signage makes it impossible for a driver to be fully aware of the contractual obligations they are entering into, which undermines the legitimacy of the parking charge.

4. No Evidence of Landowner Authority
ParkingEye has not provided evidence that they have the authority from the landowner to issue and enforce parking charges at this site. The BPA Code of Practice (Section 7) requires that ParkingEye have a written contract with the landowner, granting them the authority to operate on the land and pursue parking charges. I request ParkingEye provide an unredacted copy of their contract with the landowner, demonstrating their authority. If they cannot provide this, the charge is invalid.

5. The Charge is Not a Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss
The amount demanded, Ł100, does not represent a genuine pre-estimate of the loss incurred by the landowner. The car park is free, and the charge is purely punitive. This contravenes the principles established in previous cases, where only genuine pre-estimates of loss can justify such charges. ParkingEye must justify the charge amount with a breakdown of actual losses caused by the alleged contravention.

Conclusion
The NtK issued by ParkingEye is non-compliant with PoFA 2012 on multiple counts, and the signage at the site is inadequate, breaching the BPA Code of Practice. Furthermore, the legitimacy of ParkingEye’s authority to issue charges is in question, and the amount charged is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss. For these reasons, I request that POPLA upholds my appeal and cancels this Parking Charge Notice.

Thank you for your consideration.

Yours faithfully,