Author Topic: UKPC Parking ticket for Parking on private land whilst delivering parcels Nine Elms London  (Read 1040 times)

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On the 28th February a parking ticket was left on the driver’s vehicle windscreen whilst they were delivering parcels.


The incident occurred at Moat Street, Nine  Elms, London, SW11 7EA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MYbFasvS8bWZX3Zm9
In the street view images you will see a small blueish Citroen, that’s where the vehicle was parked.
The parking ticket has been issued with the wrong location. Nine Elms Park, Embassy Gardens, London SW11 7DN.

The driver delivers Parcels for Amazon in their own vehicle.
The driver has proof of delivering  at the location and can provide prove of appropriate hire and reward insurance if necessary.

Moat Street is a complex of several blocks of flats which share the same vehicle entrance collection and drop off area. 

There are several signs from UKPC saying no parking.
The signage didn’t say anything about loading which was the driver’s purpose.
The driver placed a laminated sign on the vehicles dashboard saying

Amazon Multi Drop Courier
Currently loading or unloading on single and double yellow lines for a maximum of 40 minutes
Or
Currently loading from pay and display, permit bays etc) for a maximum of 20 minutes during controlled hours
Along with some parcels on the dashboard as evidence delivering / loading was in progress.

The driver delivered parcels to three separate apartments, walking back to the vehicle after each delivery to shown that the loading was continuous.  Not being away from the vehicle for more than five minutes,
Which is literally 2.5 minutes to the apartments and 2.5 minutes back to the vehicle

After the drivers last delivery they saw that a ticket applied to the windscreens. Issued at the same time that the vehicle was first seen by the parking attendant.  Allowing no time to observe any loading .

It’s my understanding that loading is allowed in private parking areas were the signage doesn’t prohibit loading.
Advice and guidance welcome
 
Pictures uploaded
https://imgur.com/a/KTVaWkK
« Last Edit: March 02, 2025, 10:39:43 am by tuffpro »

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Easily dealt with if you follow the advice. This will probably go all the way to a court claim which will be discontinued once they are required to pay the hearing fee. They will persist all the way because they hope that you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and will eventually pay up out of ignorance and fear.

What you need to understand is that this is not a "penalty" as you referred to it but simply a speculative invoice from an unregulated private parking company for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. However, for there to have been a contract in the first place, there must have been an offer which the driver could accept in return for the consideration.

That sign is not a contractual offer. It is simply a prohibition. There is nothing on offer. Besides that point, even if it were a contractual sign, it could not form a valid contract because the charge is hidden in tiny text.

There are so many issues with UKPC signs and their breaches of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (CoP) that they could never make a valid case in court. However, that does not stop them from trying anyway, because, unfortunately, the vast majority of Sheeple have no idea of how these unregulated private parking companies operate and their rights and the law.

Additionally, that Parking Charge Notice (PCN) that has been issued as a windscreen Notice to Driver (NtD) is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA and so, the Keeper of the vehicle cannot be liable and they have no idea of the drivers identity, unless you blab it, inadvertently or otherwise (like you have done in your post). As the Keeper and the driver are two separate legal entities and there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private company, the only way UKPC can know the drivers identity is if you give it to them. Always refer to the driver in the third person.

No one who is here and following gate advice we provide ever pays a penny to UKPC.

For now, do nothing. Wait until Thursday 27th March and then appeal the PCN, ONLY as the Keeper of the vehicle, with the following:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. UKPC has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. UKPC have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

The delay in appealing is because there is a chance that they will reject the appeal without issuing a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) which further strengthens your case at POPLA.

Even if they do issue an NtK, you will still have many valid defence points if POPLA do not uphold any appeal. They would never try and actually take this all the way to a hearing because they know they wouldn't have a chance in front of a truly independent judge.

Do not appeal before or after the date I have provided above. Use their online appeals option making sure you do not select anything that identifies you as the driver. You are ONLY appealing as the Keeper, who cannot be liable because of the PoFA breaches.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Amazing, the keeper of the vehicle will appeal on the 27th March.

I was just wondering if the fact that they have used the wrong address for the alleged offence also negates the ticket.

Regards
 

It doesn't "negate the ticket" but it does make any case for appeal to POPLA or the court better. For now, just go through the motions.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hello,
An appeal was sent on the 27th March as per your suggestion.
UKPC have not responded to the appeal yet, apart from the initial email acknowledgement which says

"we will aim to respond to you by formal letter/e-mail to the address supplied within 28 days, should you not receive a response within this time, please contact our information line on 0333 220 1070"

No NtK received   

If they don't respond with a decision to the appeal what should the keeper do?
The 28 days from appeal is on the 24th April..

Regards
« Last Edit: April 22, 2025, 01:50:08 pm by tuffpro »

They have until 25th April to issue a Notice to Keeper (NtK). If they don't, there is nothing they can do. So, for now, just wait. If/when you receive either a response to your appeal or an NtK, let us know.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hello..
An email reply from UKPC below. (No postal request received)
Please let me know what the response should be..
Regards

Thank you for your recent correspondence in relation to parking charge reference xxxx xxxx xxxx.
To assist us in making a decision regarding your appeal, please confirm the full name and address of the driver to our Appeals Department within seven
days of the date of this letter.
Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 discusses the recovery of unpaid parking charges. It allows parking operators to hold the registered
keeper liable to pay unpaid parking charges if the operator has not been provided the name and a serviceable address of the driver.
This information may be confirmed by submitting another appeal on our website at www.ukpcappeals.co.uk, or by post to the address overleaf. Please
ensure that if writing to us by post that you include the parking charge reference number and vehicle registration.
Failure to provide this information will give us no alternative other than to make our final decision based on the previous information received. At this stage
a POPLA verification code will be provided.
The parking charge has been placed on hold whilst under appeal and may be settled in full at the current PCN rate of £100.00.
Yours sincerely,
Appeals Department
UK Parking Control Ltd
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 06:19:16 pm by tuffpro »

Respond after 25th April with the following making sure that you CC in yourself:

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Subject: Response to Appeal Request – Parking Charge [xxxx xxxx xxxx]

Dear UK Parking Control Ltd,

Thank you for your letter dated [insert date].

As the registered Keeper, I am under no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company. I decline to do so.

I refer you to the response given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971).

Yours faithfully,

[Name of the Keeper]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Appeal rejected by UKPC
They have provided a POPLA reference.
Advice appreciated?
Regards

Thank you for your recent communication concerning parking charge reference X0xxxx91X03.
We have carefully considered your appeal based on the information provided and the evidence supporting the parking charge. In this instance having
completed our assessment, we consider the parking charge to have been correctly issued, as the vehicle was parked in an area where no parking is allowed.
UKPC is able to issue parking charges in a period up to 26 weeks following the date of the parking event under the terms of our contract for requesting
keeper details with the DVLA.
Our appeals process is now concluded, you may now choose one of the following options:
1) Pay the parking charge detailed above at the reduced rate of £60.00 to UK Parking Control Ltd. PLEASE REFER OVERLEAF FOR PAYMENT OPTIONS
AND ADDRESS DETAILS.
2) Make an appeal to the independent adjudicator POPLA (Parking on Private Land Appeals) using the verification code provided above. Please note that if
you wish to appeal to POPLA, you will lose the right to pay the discounted rate of £60.00, and should POPLA reject your appeal you will be required to pay
the full amount of £100.00. If you opt to pay the parking charge you will be unable to appeal with POPLA. Appeals to POPLA must be made within
twenty-eight days from the date of this letter. To appeal with POPLA, please visit www.popla.co.uk. If you are unable to access the internet, you may
appeal by post – this must be done using a POPLA postal form which may be obtained by contacting POPLA by phone (0330 159 6126) or post (PO Box
1270, Warrington, WA4 9RL).
By law we are also required to inform you that Ombudsman Services (www.ombudsman-services.org/) provides an alternative dispute resolution service
that would be competent to deal with your appeal. However, we have not chosen to participate in their alternative dispute resolution service. As such
should you wish to appeal then you must do so to POPLA, as explained above.
3) If you choose to do nothing the parking charge will automatically increase after thirty-five days from the date of this letter to £100.00 and the matter
will be passed to our debt recovery agent, at which point you will be liable to pay an additional charge of £70, in accordance with the terms and conditions
of parking, and further charges will be claimed if court action is taken against you. Any unpaid court judgement may adversely affect your credit rating.
Yours sincerely,
Appeals Department

Perfect. No Notice to Keeper (NtK) ever issued, therefore no Keeper liability. Whilst there are multiple other points of appeal such as no contact formed due to prohibitive signage, delivery (loading and unloading) is not parking, no period of parking recorded which is another PoFA breach and more, the single fact that PoFA has not been complied with, means that there is no case to answer for the Keeper.

The POPLA appeal should concentrate on the fact that UKPC have failed to issue an NtK within the relevant period and so cannot hold the Keeper liable.

I would simply put the following in as the POPLA appeal:

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This is a Keeper-only appeal. The appellant has not identified the driver at any stage and is under no legal obligation to do so.

A Notice to Driver (NtD) was issued on 28th February 2025. The Keeper appealed within 28 days, on 27th March 2025. The operator then rejected the appeal and issued a POPLA code on 17th May 2025, without ever issuing a Notice to Keeper (NtK).

As the operator has not issued a NtK in accordance with Paragraph 8 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, they have failed to establish any right to hold the Keeper liable. Without compliance with PoFA, there is no lawful basis to pursue the Keeper. The identity of the driver has not been disclosed, and the operator may not rely on assumption or inference.

The appeal must therefore be upheld because the person being pursued cannot be liable for the charge in law.

Should the operator choose not to withdraw at this stage, the appellant reserves the right to rebut any further claims in their evidence pack, including but not limited to:

1. The NtD is not PoFA compliant as it fails to state a period of parking. A single observation timestamp is not sufficient, per Brennan v PPS (2023) [H6DP632H].

2. The signage fails to meet PoFA 2(2) and 2(3) as it does not *ADEQUATELY* bring to the driver's attention any specific charge for breach of terms. As can be seen in the photo below, minuscule text with any mention of a charge is, for all intents and purposes, invisible.



3. The sign is prohibitory only, saying "No Parking", and thus incapable of forming a contract. There is no offer which is the most basic requirement in any contractual relationship.



4. The NtD does not show that the vehicle remained onsite beyond the minimum consideration period, so there is no evidence that any contract was formed.


5. The vehicle was being used for loading/unloading, which is not “parking” under the persuasive authority of Jopson v Homeguard (2016) [B9GF0A9E].

The core issue is that the person being pursued cannot be held liable, and the appeal must succeed on that basis alone.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2025, 02:30:55 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

A million thanks for your advice on this matter....

The operator has contacted us and told us that they have withdrawn your appeal.
If you have already paid your parking charge, this is the reason your appeal will have been withdrawn. Unfortunately, you cannot pay your parking charge and appeal, which means that POPLA’s involvement in your appeal has ended. You will not be able to request a refund of the amount paid in order to resubmit your appeal to us.
If you have not paid your parking charge, the operator has reviewed your appeal and chosen to cancel the parking charge. As the operator has withdrawn your appeal, POPLA’s involvement has now ended and you do not need to take any further action.
Kind regards
POPLA Team
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Excellent result, well done!