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Hi,

We are a supported living holiday company, back in March 25 one of our vehicles was dropping off a disabled client and used a private car park to the rear of their premises. The vehicle was there for 6mins. The signage at the entrance, which is in effect a tunnel underneath some shops, is very poor. The vehicle approached from the right. There is no signage on the wall that is view as per the document.

SMART Parking have been served this notification of legal action against them, which looks at a breach under the 2010 Equality Act and also obtaining money by false pretences, namely the PCN was paid based upon a false statement declaring the signage was correct and compiled with the BPA guidance.

SMART Parking have requested the driver's permission to now investigate the incident. It has been pointed out to them that their 'contract' is with the registered keeper and not the driver. They sent the PCN to the registered keeper and they did not uphold an appeal submitted by the registered keeper, so why do they need to know who the driver was?

I'm sure I read on your site that you should not declare who the driver was at the time of the alleged offence, does that advice apply under these circumstances where the PCN has already been paid by the registered keeper, albeit under duress?

Many thanks in advance.

 

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Re: SMART Parking requiring driver details for a disputed PCN
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The first question that comes to my mind (and may come to a judge's mind) is - if you believe the money is not and was not owed, why did you pay up? All of the information you are now seeking to rely on to sue Smart Parking could instead have been used in your defence had Smart continued to pursue payment.  It is also unclear what 'duress' the company was under - it may be hard to argue that a company receiving an invoice through the post has been been placed under duress. I don't say either of these points as a criticism, but as advice should a similar situation arise in future.

The second thing that springs out to me is that your "Notification of Escalation" deviates somewhat from what ought to be your focus. The first couple of pages focus largely on assertions around the commission of criminal offences:
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If the judge finds in the registered keeper’s favor then that will be seen a judicial acknowledgement of the criminal offence of Obtaining Money Under False Pretenses
Will it? A district judge in a civil case is deciding whether or not Smart Parking owe you money, he won't be making a determination on whether a criminal offence was committed.

If/when you get to issuing a claim, the Particulars will need to be concise - namely, sticking to matters that are within the remit of the civil courts. The two obvious points from what we've seen so far would be:
  • That the signage was so insufficient as to mean that no contract was formed between the driver and Smart Parking, thus the money subsequently paid by the Registered Keeper was not due
  • That the driver did not park, but was instead unloading - some of the reasoning from Jopson vs Homeguard might be relevant here

As noted, you are starting somewhat on the back-foot having paid the charge, but we are where we are. Another possibility that can be hoped for is that Smart put this case on the "too much effort" pile and just pay back the £60 to avoid the hassle.

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I have to agree with the above observation. I am sorry if it sounds a bit harsh but here are the reasons why you are flogging a dead horse:

Is this worth pursuing in county court?

Bluntly: No, not really. Here’s why:

The Keeper paid the PCN. That’s the fatal flaw. Once you pay, you’re essentially accepting liability. Courts will ask: If you knew it was wrong, why did you pay? Saying it was “under duress” won’t fly unless there was serious coercion—which there wasn’t. A threat of POPLA costs or escalation isn’t duress in legal terms.

You had a winning hand and folded. Smart Parking almost never complies with PoFA. If you’d held your ground and gone to POPLA, you’d likely have won. But by paying, you gave up your leverage. You’re now trying to claw back money you voluntarily handed over.

Civil court isn’t the place for moral victories. You can’t use county court to get a judge to declare Smart Parking’s practices unlawful or criminal. The court will only look at whether you’re owed money. And since you paid without being forced, the answer is probably no.

The Equality Act angle is weak post-payment. Yes, unloading a disabled person might give you protection. But again, you didn’t use that argument when it mattered—during the appeal. Courts won’t reward hindsight.

So what now?

Learn from it. Next time, don’t pay. Challenge the PCN, cite PoFA non-compliance, and go to POPLA if needed. Educate others. Use this as a case study in how not to handle a PCN.

Don’t waste more time or money. Filing a claim now is likely to be dismissed, and you’ll be out the court fee too.

As far as legal action goes—this one’s dead in the water.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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SMART Parking have requested the driver's permission to now investigate the incident. It has been pointed out to them that their 'contract' is with the registered keeper and not the driver. They sent the PCN to the registered keeper and they did not uphold an appeal submitted by the registered keeper, so why do they need to know who the driver was?

I'm sure I read on your site that you should not declare who the driver was at the time of the alleged offence, does that advice apply under these circumstances where the PCN has already been paid by the registered keeper, albeit under duress?
If Smart are offering to 'investigate', then I can't see any downside to letting them do so, and providing any information that might enable them to do so. I can't see how providing the driver's details would open him up to any financial risk - the PCN has already been paid.

The Keeper paid the PCN. That’s the fatal flaw.
This is the point I'm also struggling to get past. If your claim was based on facts/information that had only come to light after payment had been made, then there might be a more credible argument to put forward, but as far as I can see, all of the points raised in your letter are based on information that would have been available to you at the time payment was made.

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Thanks for the reply regarding notifying who the driver was to SMART Parking, I couldn't see the issue once the PCN has been paid, but I felt it wise to ask based upon previous posts on that specific subject.

Moral crusade, yes slightly.......I try and do a very professional job in relation to ensuring the duty of care to our  disabled clients is met. Upon reflection, there were no other safe options to ensure this was achieved.

I have fought all my life for my disabled brother's rights who recently passed away. My thoughts on this incident is how can they get away with this, its shocking behaviour but an indictment of 2025. The answer is, they can't as its gone way beyond a mere PCN.

Thank you for your time and comments. I did received a random DM which appeared to be from the site, but your helpful comments do contradict that message so I can only presume that it was sent to me in error.

So in summary, crack on without fear or favour and good luck!!!!

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Hopefully, this is a lesson learnt for any future PCNs that may come your way. It is a shame that these companies are able to get away with their unregulated behaviour.

If you want to do something about it, you can take part in the ongoing government consultation that is now open, which will finalise the upcoming change from an unregulated industry to a government regulated one, once the Private Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is finally introduced.

There is a link to the consultation in my signature.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain