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Hello

Recieved a letter from debt recovery plus saying we had an unpaid parking charge from smart parking for over staying the 30 min allowance in a private car park. We had had nothing through the post from smart parking prior to this despite them saying they had sent letters. Upon doing research on this forum we contacted to smart parking to appeal, with the standard notice to Keeper act response.

However we then get a reply from smart parking saying that our appeal was recieved too late and the 28 day appeal deadline has passed. And that we need to take up the case with Debt recovery plus. Obviously though given we didn't recieve anything in the post the 28 day appeal cut off point feels unfair as we were unaware of the charge.

Is there anything we can do and what should the next move be? Any help would be greatly appreciated. The debt recovery plus letter had already escalated it to a £160 charge so very keen to not pay that!

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Whenever someone comes to us mentioning multiple letters not arriving the first thing I strongly recommend doing is getting out your car's physical V5C document, and checking the address is correct.

Debt collectors can and should be ignored - they have no interest in any conversation that does not involve you making payment. You should keep your eye out for a Letter of Claim - if you receive such a letter, return here for advice.

The address is correct on the V5C form, but we defintely did not get a letter through. The first we heard was the letter from debt recovery plus. So we then logged the appeal, but Smart parking are saying our appeal was too late, passed the 28 day period and can't be accepted

With this in mind what should our next move be?

Was the address correct on the V5C at the time of the alleged contravention?

Either way, you are dealing with (not so) Smart Parking who recently jumped ship for the BPA to the IPC, so no amount of appealing would work.

Any appeal must received by the operator within 28 days from the date of "receipt" of the Notice, not the date of "issue". Even though they say that it is supposed to be within 28 days of "issue", their Code of Practice says "receipt". Not that this would help you much at this stage anyway.

If you follow the advice, you won't be paying a penny to (not so) Smart. Without knowing the date of the alleged contravention and the date they issued the Notice to Keeper (NtK), it is now advised that you do the following...

Ignore all useless debt recovery letters. Never, ever, EVER enter into communication with a powerless debt collector. All they can do is try to persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. You can safely ignore anything from a debt collector.

When you eventually receive a Letter of Claim (LoC), which is the case of (not so) Smart is likely to be from their preferred bulk litigator of choice, DCB Legal, let us know an we will provide a suitable response. IN due course you will receive an N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC. Show it to us only redacting your personal info, the claim number and the MCOL password. Leave ALL dates showing, especially the issue date.

We will provide advice on how to respond and what deadlines you have ti submit a defence. We will provide a template defence and then you go through the process until eventually the claim is either struck out or discontinued.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Wow, thank you so much for your detailed reply. Really appreciate the effort. Yes the V5C  form was correct at the time of issue.

You mention that we don't have contravention date, I have found that and it was the 19/03/2025. The debt recovery plus notice is listed as 16/05/2025 and the appeal to smart parking was sent on the same day when we received the letter. Does this change anything?

If not I will follow your advice and wait for the LoC. Any idea on how long that should take to come through?

Thanks again for your help
« Last Edit: June 09, 2025, 12:14:03 pm by Updownleftright1 »

The only relevant dates are the date of the alleged contravention and the date the Notice to Keeper was issued. No other date has any relevance as far as we are concerned. As you have never seen the NtK, you do not know the date it was issued.

In most, but not necessarily all, (not so) Smart Parking PCNs, they fail to comply with the deadlines for serving the notice within the "relevant period". In those cases, they cannot hold the Keeper liable, only the unknown (to them) driver. As long as the Keeper does not blab the drivers identity, they could never succeed in holding the Keeper liable should it ever get as far as an actual hearing (about a 0.1% chance of that happening).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Yes we actually had one of these before and the set menu reply for not identifying the driver worked and the charge was dropped. Unfortunately we didn't get the notice this time, reading on some other posts that this is not the first time smart seem to have failed to successfully post the notice out and the first the defendant has hear on it has been the letter from DRP.

Last thing, any idea how long the Letter of Claim will take to arrive/the usual time frame before it gets mailed out? I'm expecting there will be a few more from DRP in the meantime.

Thanks again

They have up to 6 years from the date of the parking event to raise a claim, but they rarely take all of that time (and realistically have no decent reason to take so long). If I were to guess, I'd say within the next year would be fairly likely.

Hey guys

In the process of waiting on the letter of claim from smart. In the meantime had lodged a complaint saying nothing was recieved in the post so would appreciate the appeal time to be restarted as was unaware of charge. (Obviously were very carefully to put any details or any info regarding who was driving)

Unsurprisingly they have refused to do this and are blaming postal service. However they did attatch a copy of the original letter they claimed to have posted and in it you can now see the date of contravention and date the charge was issued.

The contravention was the 19/03/2025 but it was not issued until the 15/04/2025. I think i have read elsewhere that the charge should be issued within 14 days under the regulations? Is this correct and could this be an avenue to get this dropped rather than waiting up to 6 years for the letter of claim?

They also mention in the reply email that if we aren't satisfied we can escalate it to the IPC? Could any of these work?

Thanks once again  for the very usefull advice, really appreciated

No, we can’t see it, but if you posted it here we would be able to!

The notice to keeper has to sent so that it arrives within 14 days if the liability is to be transferred from the driver to the registered keeper.

If the driver is not identified, the liability can not be transferred.

If the driver is identified, the driver can be pursued for six years.

It’s too late to appeal, the IPC/IAS would not uphold your appeal anyway (it only upholds 4% of appeals, which are the egregiously obvious ones), so you need to wait, ignoring everything from Debt Recovery Plus until you receive a formal Letter of Claim, for which we can advise in due course. See Reply #3 above.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2025, 01:00:22 pm by jfollows »

You will receive an LoC long before the 6 year statute of limitation. You are dealing with (not so) Smart and no one who follows our advice pays a penny to these idiot scammers.

We already know that they don't issue their NtKs within the relevant period.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Apologies an update here. We are actually moving house next week so given we are waiting on the LoC im worried we will miss it.

I planned to pay for our mail to be forwarded to the new address, but given it can take years for the LoC to arrive i don't want to have to pay for forwarded mail for several years. It £90 a year for forwarded mail so after 2 years it would exceed the fine.

Is there a way to check if a letter of complaint has been sent via any other way other than post or a way around this. The only thing I can think of is asking the new resident to keep an eye out for it but then would hate him to miss it and end up with a CCJ

Thanks again

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As they will shortly hold an incorrect address for you, you MUST send a data rectification notice (DRN) to Smart’s DPO, instructing them to update your details with your new address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.
dpo@smartparking.com
« Last Edit: July 03, 2025, 03:45:25 pm by jfollows »

A Data Rectification Notice to (not so) Smart Parking's DPO instructing them to update their records with your new address for service and to erase your old address, is all that is needed. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hey guys

So sent the change of address to the smart parking dpo email address and received this in return

"Good afternoon,
Thank you for your email.
Due to the length of time the PC has been open, this has now been referred to Debt Recovery Plus Ltd, who are now handling this on our behalf.
Please contact them directly if you wish to discuss this further"

So no acknowledgement of the change of address to send correspondence too? What do I do now? Just abit concerned their LoC will go to the old address and we will miss it.

Thanks again for all the great advice thus far