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Re: London Parking Solutions
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So is it agreed that the only legislation under which they can issue Parking Charge Notices is the POF Act?

As already mentioned, these are some important facts;

A "PCN" is a name made up by the private parking companies to emulate the "PCN" issued by authorities - You guessed it - of all the acronyms they could have come up with they came up with the exactly that of the 'official' Penalty Charge Notice.

And guess what, they also use the same yellow square design as well!

I'm pretty sure that the term "Parking Charge Notice" is never mentioned in any legislation.

A PCN is nothing more than a 'speculative invoice' in legal terms.

Of course, they present it like some kind of formal (official) document.

This is a numbers game and their sole aim is to convince as many people as possible to pay the charge (hence its wording / design etc already mentioned).

When the PCN is first issued, although the invoice is addressed to the keeper, the liability in law remains solely with the driver - liability remains with the driver for just over 28 days.

POFA only comes into the equation after the 28 day period but the PCN should be set out in a certain manner to ensure POFA compliance should the need arise.

There is no requirement that a parking operator must use POFA.

If they wanted they could just send an invoice which says, "Oi, the driver of your motor owes us £60 because your car was parked in our car park last week and you never paid nuffing"

Of course, if you refused to pay the invoice then there would be nothing they could do because such an invoice would not be POFA compliant and the liability could never be moved from the unknown driver onto the known keeper.

So, in terms of your question;

They can issue a speculative invoice (PCN) for any reason they want and the issuing of such an invoice is based totally in contract law and not in any other specific legislation.

POFA only comes in after 28 days+ in the instance that there is no payment and no other driver is nominated to the parking operator.

Re: London Parking Solutions
« Reply #16 on: »
@InterCity125

Thanks. POPLA would not be the route for this lot of course but rather the IAS.

LPS are saying that it depends on the notice which act applies.

I will draft a complaint as suggested and would welcome views in very short due course!

BTW, I have a 100% track record in winning private tickets:  3 out of 3! ::)
« Last Edit: July 29, 2026, 11:33:45 am by Hippocrates »
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Re: London Parking Solutions
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Been advised by I.F. to let the sleeping dog lie.  8)
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Re: London Parking Solutions
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The ball is in LPS's court, so to speak.

Reply #5 sets out what could happen, indeed the only legislative route open to a 'claimant' to have their claim determined is to take the matter to court. Nothing in LPS's process gets anywhere near a regulated process, IAS is a so-called independent arbitrator (AKA trade body) and LPS do not subscribe to Alternative Dispute Resolution.

So, while they're considering their next move could I suggest getting back to their 'evidence' as stated in their Parking Charge - Notice to Keeper(note the clever use of the hyphen, one might even think they'd like the recipient to read Parking Charge Notice which isn't mentioned in the body of the notice and, as has been observed earlier, is not a regulatory term anyway, it's a device designed to mislead).

What is their evidence that the vehicle was on site in contravention of terms and conditions (which must be readable in order to form a contract) for a period in excess of the consideration period which the operator must allow by virtue of their required compliance with the Single Code of Practice which is a condition of them accessing DVLA keeper data? All I can see is two photos, only one of which shows a car.

It is not possible to establish a breach without being able to prove that the vehicle was on site beyond the consideration period with just a single photo. I can't even see the times embedded in the photos.

Re: London Parking Solutions
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Been advised by I.F. to let the sleeping dog lie.  8)
“I.F.” please?

« Last Edit: August 02, 2026, 10:52:03 pm by Hippocrates »
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

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There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: London Parking Solutions
« Reply #21 on: »
As other have said, the ball is current with the parking operator.

They will just go through their process now. None of your representations will be considered when deciding whether to pursue you. It's like a machine.

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Been advised by I.F. to let the sleeping dog lie.  8)
“I.F.” please?
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Re: London Parking Solutions
« Reply #23 on: »
As other have said, the ball is current with the parking operator.

They will just go through their process now. None of your representations will be considered when deciding whether to pursue you. It's like a machine.

A machine which should be dismantled like I did here:

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2025-08-19/council-refunds-485000-for-wrongly-fining-drivers-in-the-bus-lane
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: London Parking Solutions
« Reply #24 on: »
Enabling legislation is already on the statute books, it's just that the necessary regs have not been made which would, among other matters, create an independent judicial body to which motorists could resort, a la public penalty adjudicators.

Re: London Parking Solutions
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https://www.racfoundation.org/media-centre/private-parking-provisions-still-not-put-into-practice


"But the code was withdrawn by the Government in June 2022 following a legal challenge by parking companies and has not been reintroduced."

Re: London Parking Solutions
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"